Dudes, I have it from "The History of the U.S. Air Force" that the first kill of a "bad guy"[not a MiG though] by piston engined plane was on June 27, 1950. This was the first day of the conflict, the plane was an F-82. So, there were lots of piston planes around when the bad guys were still novices. The F-80's couldn't be doing all the work. The truth is still out there! ===== Dennis Phelan "Sir! I have no excuse Sir!" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]