I have decided to sell one of my Vindicators. This one is extra reinforced and a beast structurally. If you wanted a tough 60" for DSing, then look no further. It's available with or without servos, preference to those who want it with servos. I have a detailed description and pics on my web page. http://mpa.freeservers.com/StuffForSale.htm Doug Reel Pacific Palisades, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]