Please, please my down under colleagues. We shouldn't shouldn't be bagging (dissin'?) the northern hemispheres tastes in things aesthetic. After we did give to the world these visual classics. "The Lightburn Zeta - an Australian designed car (325cc from 1963) which did for motoring what Beethoven did for aviation. The Zeta came out of an Adelaide factory which normally turned out washing machines and cement mixers, most of them more streamlined than the Zeta." http://smh.com.au/drive/content/971212/graphics/Cult5.jpg The Jindavik and Pika. The Pika was the land of Oz's first and only self designed and flown pure jet man carrying aircraft. The Jindavik is its drone offspring. http://users.interact.net.au/~pwia/Photo/pika-01.jpg The Wackett. Flew as good as it looked http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/wackett.jpg The Transavia Airtruk. One of New Zealand's first commercial aeronautical efforts although our country thought it was so good we took over development and produced it. http://www.geocities.com/aviophile/aircraft/ugly/airtruk_01.jpg However we did manage to build this The CAC CA-15 http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/research/aircraft/a2series/ca_15.htm which although looked like a Mustang was bigger and faster and better looking. It is just that the rest of the world was building jets by then. Who says we're slow???!!!! Now back to the ol' Mantis. Yes, it is ferociously ugly but we need a bit of balance in the world, after all we can't all look as good as me can we. http://www.theaviationforum.com/haagendas/images/judasjnr.jpg -- Brian Ford Brisbane Australia "The Large PSS Site" AUS 55723 http://www.users.bigpond.com/bananaman RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]