ok, i finally got my A) first fully scratched HLG together and my B) first successful tip launches..... wow to both.... i have only seen Paul and Rudy Siegel tip launch, and i felt like they were holding back (early in the year, not any competition)... after i figured out what it liked for presets, i was standing on my launches.... it's another world, and i guess there really is no going back. thanks to all that have been giving advice here - i know that i would have not made half the progress that i have without your help. brent * now, if i only had time to FLY (getting married this week, and my time has been diverted. luckily, i think it's been worth it). RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]