currently available is the PIXEL from slopeflyer.com North East Sailplanes has the SNIPE and SHREDDER still available. numerous older but out of production planes: samurai, CR contender, turbo, V-max, , cyclone, rotar, etc. the pixel is the one i have experience with and it is very effecient and very light and flys very well in light to moderate winds.. uses two standard servos and 4 channel FMA reciever...programed just like a zagi but channels are reversed to function properly. kevin kavaney/minneapolis minnesota RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.