Actually the other turnarounds are better for downwind launches...
Maybe you should see how we go around the back. You can't with a ground
based one.
And if you do a conventional launch it isn't too much of a problem if
you hit the pedal for 1-2 seconds after the zoom.
I have used both turnarounds. I had custom made units before I bought a
winchdoc unit. I have four turnarounds.
The ESL uses the winch doc unit. We used to use the ground based one..
It burnt the line (from small diameter hub, and from being on the ground
and dragging). We had more failures to the line with the ground based
one. But I guess you don't remember that.
I am done with this discussion. If you plan on doing more than TD don't
buy a ground based turnaround. You will buy twice.
If you want something that is better by design and more versatile then
go with the winchdoc unit.
You can use it more ways.. And if you ever learn to really launch good
you'll be happier with the winchdoc unit...
Ask anyone who knows how to hook off and go around a turnaround to get
into the wind.
You can become better with a winchdoc unit..
Oh and if you want to keep it ground based then don't put it on a stake.
Instead use chain in a Y and keep it on the ground... It won't get
tangled on the downwind launch... but it will serve all the other
operations well.
My braided, and my mono go on a winchdoc and winchdoc style (predated
the winchdoc) turnaround.
TJB wrote:
Sorry, but it follows the plane as good as any low turnaround out
there. It pivots on the bottom plate.
I will bring it to the next contest for you to see. It is low to the
ground so the line doesn't get caught on it. No one unit is perfect
for all uses, but this one really works well for what I fly.
The McCann one doesn't pivot, which is why I said it needs to be
mounted on a spike with a bearing so it can. I have one mounted on a
plate so it can pivot. The ones on the tall stakes are good if there
are no downwind launches.
Jeff would be more knowledgeable as far as F3J and F3B goes. I would
agree with Jeff, if you don't mind an occasional walk, the WinchDoc
one is the best one that follows the plane very well and is pre-made.
You can do what Phil does and put guy lines out to each side to help
keep the line from getting caught.
Tom
T&G
32 Mount View Dr
Afton, VA 22920
540 943-3356
fax 943-4178
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Steifel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "rcse" <soaring@airage.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] need source for winch turnarounds
Absolutely NOT. The best turnaround is one that can follow the plane.
The reason, if someone comes off the launch to the side, or snaps on
the launch the plane will veer hard to the side. The fixed turnaround
limits their ability to recover. The floating one follows the
tension. Tom's design below will abrade the line if it is off to the
side.
The floating unit like the Winch doc is great if you advance to F3b,
or F3j as well. In that case you can hook off into the wind and
launch better. The ESL replaced their ground based turnarounds with
Winchdoc units. We had units very similar to the McCann style units..
Don't get me wrong they work but the line stays low to the ground and
abrades on the ground too.
Also the McCann winches are great... One of my club uses 2 of them.
But the Winchdoc turnarounds are more functional
In the ESL on braided we keep them high to prevent the rash from the
ground
In F3B I keep it low to the ground to prevent the mono from being cut
by other F3B fliers.
In F3J it works great with either a fixed tow rig or a sliding tow
rig. Doug even provides both a screw, and a hitch pin for either
permanent mount or quick release like F3J .. I use the hitch pin.
Buy the winchdoc turnaround and you won't need to buy anything for
F3J if you decide to fly it , or F3b.. by any other style and you'll
be back to buy the winchdoc unit..
I don't know Doug, have never met him, but use the real balls on all
ESL winches, and own his turnaround... Quality stuff at a good price.
TJB wrote:
The best (for other than f3J) is a low to the ground unit. The ones
with stakes can get fowled with downwind or over the top launches.
The tall stake units often catch the line and make for long walks to
untangle.
Using an aircraft pulley on a low pivot bearing is ideal. The line
can't get stuck and it works perfectly, even with off center
launches. I made one of these and absolutely love it.
You can also use the Tim McCann unit made by Erich Schlitzkus if you
use a stake with a bearing on it. The stock one works okay, but the
line rides up on the side with off center launches. Tom
T&G
32 Mount View Dr
Afton, VA 22920
540 943-3356
fax 943-4178
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Crane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: <soaring@airage.com <mailto:soaring@airage.com>>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:12 PM
Subject: [RCSE] need source for winch turnarounds
> what is the best winch turnaround? and where do i get it? thanks
for
> ur help
>
> bob
>
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