Peter,

My feelings exactly.

As regards Csound, most of our listservs are users; developers are relatively 
few and tend to communicate largely among themselves.

Though I also am a member of csound-dev, I was unaware of the old/new parser 
status. I knew the new parser was (and has been long) "under development". I'd 
no idea how or if it was incorporated into Csound5.13.

Only a few folk (not including myself) actually build Csound - mostly Linux 
people (again, not me). I just installed Windows Csound(5.13) this evening for 
the first time - to discover that it was built with default old parser. News to 
me.

There's much discussion of Csound lists about how documentation and user 
materials are subpar - especially for newbees. This makes it overly difficult 
for Csound to attract new users.

At any rate, thanks again for all you do. And I'm always here to test.

Art Hunkins
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Robinson 
  To: Art Hunkins 
  Cc: sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org ; Development of live Sugar distributions 
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5


  Art,

  It seems I did get the mail but some how missed it.

  Sigh! How so typical of CSound to make the new parser the default even though 
they themselves don't recommend it, nor do they really even document it 
anywhere! GRR!

  I'll have a look at the build and see what else it will affect, csound isn't 
just there for Sugar.

  Peter


  On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Art Hunkins <abhun...@uncg.edu> wrote:

    Peter -

    Did you ever receive the messages collated below? (They largely occurred on 
the csound-dev list.)

    Are the questions you mentioned (ones that were never answered) the ones 
addressed here?

    If not, please send them again. To my knowledge, the simple "Csound 
solution" is running scons with the option:
    buildRelease=1

    But maybe I completely misunderstand.

    Art Hunkins

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Hunkins" <abhun...@uncg.edu>

    To: <sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org>

    Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:59 AM

    Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5



      Peter:

      I presume you received the messages immediately listed below, regarding a 
solution to the old/new Csound parser issue ("build csound with the scons 
option  buildRelease=1").

      If you sent questions either to this group, or the Csound-developers 
list, I'm sorry; I didn't receive them. Are they perhaps answered in the 
messages quoted below?

      Also, as I wrote to you a week or so ago, there are no current MIDI 
issues with Csound and Sugar. (I had mistakenly thought there were earlier.)

      I remain eager to test a rebuilt Csound in the Fedora 15 SoaS context, to 
determine if my activities are compatible - and look forward to your upcoming 
test release.

      Thanks again for all your work on behalf of things musical within SoaS.

      Art Hunkins

      -------
      (Message to csound development listserv)

      Steve, Victor and Peter Robinson:

      The run-time (CsOptions) flag --old-parser makes my CSD's run flawlessly. 
(Thanks for the suggestion/solution, Steve.)

      I don't imagine my CSD's are the only ones affected.

      Peter, I'd strongly recommend Victor's suggestion of incorporating the 
scons option buildRelease=1 into the Csound build for Fedora 15. (For one 
thing, it would for the time being not require changes to my Activities.)

      Comments anyone?

      Art Hunkins

       From: Victor Lazzarini
       To: Developer discussions
       Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 4:42 PM
       Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Fw: Csound - CsOptions flag for old parser?


       That is a run-time option. But if you build csound with the scons  
option buildRelease=1, the old parser
       should be the default. This is the recommended (new parser is no ready 
for big time yet).


       Victor

       On 1 Jun 2011, at 21:30, Peter Robinson wrote:


        Hi Steve,

        Is that a compile or run time option? If the former what are the 
implications?

        Peter

        On 1 Jun 2011 21:18, "Steven Yi" <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:

       Dr Victor Lazzarini
       Senior Lecturer
       Dept. of Music
       NUI Maynooth Ireland
       tel.: +353 1 708 3545
       Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie


       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Robinson" 
<pbrobin...@gmail.com>
      To: "Art Hunkins" <abhun...@uncg.edu>
      Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:48 AM
      Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5



        Hi Art,

        No idea. I replied to the email you CC:ed me on and had no answers to
        my questions. I have a couple of outstanding items I need to test and
        fix on SoaS and will put out a test image in the next couple of days
        and you can test it and tell me as you well no I have no ability to
        test midi on soas.

        As a side note please make sure you:
        1) Create a new email when sending things and no hijack a completely
        irrelevant email.
        2) Send it to the SoaS list. There is no need to send this directly to 
me.

        Regards,
        Peter

        On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Art Hunkins <abhun...@uncg.edu> wrote:

          Hello, Peter,

          Is the Csound5 new/old parser issue now solved for the upcoming 
Fedora 15
          SoaS release?

          If so, is there a testing .iso I could try - to see if my activities 
are
          compatible with it?

          Thanks -

          Art Hunkins







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