Rod,
I posted this on our local LUG and here are the responses. If you think he could help, post more details there ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and Cyber Sourse would be willing to at least look at the problem with you. He specializes both in moving companies to Linux only solutions but he's darn good at making Windows behave itself with Linux. But notice that he sort of glosses over the WEP/WAP encryption issues. :-\ I suspect you're in that gray area that used to exist in Windows' early years when "100% IBM PC compatable" was the only true way to get things to work 100%, unless your copy of Windows was "customized" by whatever vendor (HP, Compaq, Dell, etc.) the computer was made by. There may be no solution short of buying (a lot?) of new, carefully chosen, equipment. :'(
Which is, of course, your point.
-Greg

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        Re: [nflug] [Fwd: [social] Wireless Networking in Linux - Redux]
Date:   Thu, 20 Oct 2005 13:47:44 -0400
From:   Cyber Source <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
References:     <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



I really have not had much (if any) trouble with wireless in Linux and I find it to be extremely stable when running. I have had zero problems with PCI cards and the only time I have had troubles was with USB wireless (impossible). If native drivers aren't available then the ndiswrapper is an easy, workable solution. No, installing one is not an exercise for a Linux newbie, but plenty of help is around (nflug). The wpa, wep stuff can be a drawback if it's not supported for your card as this will leave you to open up your router a little more but it's really not a concern for Linux boxes and there are other ways to tighten up your router (static ip's, limited number allowed, etc.) so windows boxes might be a little more secure (if that's possible ;) ).

anthonyriga wrote:

Yea I know your pain. I have some sucess with Knoppix
and wireless, But you are right its a nightmare
getting wireless to work . Drivers are the big issue.
--- Greg Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Just for comments:
This poor guy's been fighting this for awhile. My
instinct is that hardware is the core of his issue. Windows specific hardware has always been a nightmare for Linux. Any comments or ideas??

-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        [social] Wireless Networking in Linux -
Redux
Date:   Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:57:44 -0500
From:   Rod Engelsman
Reply-To:       [email protected]
To:     [email protected]



Gentlemen, Comrades, Friends, and Associates:

  I have a statement to make that you will all
probably find provocative -- perhaps even offensive -- but I believe it is true nonetheless.

"At the current state of the art, the Linux
operating system is a security hazard when employed on computers communicating via wireless networks."

Which is to say, unless you are a) very lucky or
very careful in selecting hardware, b) reasonably proficient with the command line and configuration scripts, and c) willing to do a BUNCH of homework and experimentation, setting up a secure wireless network is probably beyond your capabilities and may be entirely impossible.

We all know that an unsecured network is... well,
insecure, duh. And WEP is easily broken with modern hardware and freely available GNU/Linux hacker tools. The only decent wireless security is some flavor of WPA, preferably WPA-RADIUS with 802.1x authentication. This provides 256-bit encryption with rotating keys and centralized challenge-response authentication. For home users WPA-PSK (which utilizes pre-set keys for authentication, rather than a central server) is
reasonably secure.

I have three computers in the house -- four if you
count this dual-boot box as two, which it is in a very real sense, since what is a computer without an OS? A Dell laptop that came with a wireless card, a Toshiba laptop that I stuck a Linksys card into, and this box with a D-Link wireless pci card. The Dell runs XP and the Toshiba runs FC4. The dual boot box runs both.

Frankly, it was enough of a trick just to get the
wireless cards working at all under Linux. Fortunately, the D-Link card has an Atheros chipset so it will work with mad-wifi. I "only" had to install a custom kernel and screw around for half a day to get WEP to work.

The Toshiba required a distro with ndiswrapper to
use the Windows drivers since there are no Linux drivers for that card. First I tried Ark Linux. That would only get a little way through the install before it would eject the cdrom and reboot for no apparent reason -- it's now a shiny coaster. Then I tried Mepis. I got it to actually install the drivers and it worked unsecured, but for some odd reason every time I would log into KDE it would launch three -- not 1, not 2, but 3 -- instances of KWiFiManager that would sit there and blink and tell me it couldn't connect, even though I could close them out and use Firefox just fine. Weird.

So I got tired of trying to figure out where Mepis
keeps the config files -- what little I know of Linux is Redhat/Fedora -- and then the stupid thing totally locked up on me, for about the 5th time -- requiring a power-off reboot. Got out my FC4 discs and installed something I halfway understand. Then I had to sneakernet a few packages over to it and got the wireless working -- unsecured. Let it do about 198 updates -- no exaggeration -- and then installed ndiswrapper and wpa_supplicant from ATRPMs. I have spent probably a week and a half now Googling, asking around on newsgroups, and studying the sample config files, etc. trying to get this all to work together.

And that's where I stand. I'm not an expert at
Linux, but I'm also not stupid, and I actually DO know a thing or two about networking. This is just too hard, too convoluted, too poorly documented, and consists of entirely too many moving parts. I have to face the reality that this particular combination of hardware, software, and protocols simply may not be capable of functioning.

Wireless networking is not particularly new. It's
not an odd corner of computing that one should maybe expect to have trouble with. How many people out there have laptops that they would like to connect wirelessly to the Internet? More and more every day. The Linux community HAS to get a better handle on this.

It baffles me why some of the major distributions
don't tackle this head on.

Rod

BTW, it takes all of about 10 minutes, tops, to set
up a secure wireless network with "that other" OS.


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