My thought on the other information that could be published is that we
may need to create a user profile feed that generates a new event when
something in the user's public profile is updated.  This would be
where the out-of-band information about a user would be found.

The in-band information of their Activity would be their primary
stream, hmm, unless profile updates become a Activity Stream type

guess I should go do some research ;)

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Bob Wyman <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM, bear <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Now to put some friendly pressure on the Laconica
>> devs to add a source of Atom over XMPP for their
>> streams instead of the Atom over Chat they
>> are using now :)
> Yeah... Grumble... As I understand it, Laconica is trying to maintain
> compatiblity with the now defunct "Atom over Chat" that Twitter *used* to
> publish. The reason is that some clients were built to support the Twitter
> feed back when it was still being published and those client authors didn't
> want to change what they are were doing for a "small" publisher like
> Laconica... As Laconica instances proliferate, hopefully, that attitude will
> change -- especially since Twitter seems to have left the world of XMPP at
> this point.
>
> In any case, whether or not we've got some legacy cruft in the wild, folk
> should understand that the "correct" way to publish microblog entries over
> XMPP (especially for "firehose" feeds) is by using the "Atom over XMPP"
> specification. See:
> http://xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-atompub-notify-07.html
>
> At some point, we should try to get agreement on the extra-metadata that
> people publish in microblog entries. For instance: Number of followers,
> Number followed, location, profile links, etc.
>
> bob wyman
>
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 2:17 PM, bear <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> When I did the streams for Seesmic I took a look at the current Best
>> Practice and had picked Atom for the same reasons you list.  Glad I
>> was ahead of the curve this time :)
>>
>> I'll be double checking that the media enclosure formats we are using
>> are compatible with what Activity Streams is suggesting and tweak as
>> needed.
>>
>> Now to put some friendly pressure on the Laconica devs to add a source
>> of Atom over XMPP for their streams instead of the Atom over Chat they
>> are using now :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Chris Messina <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > Thanks for sharing this here Bob. I agree that I'd love to see
>> > ActivityStreams pushed over XMPP. We're starting with ATOM for that
>> > reason —
>> > and would be excited to see what kinds of ideas might emerge from
>> > hooking up
>> > PubSub for Activities!
>> > Chris
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:12 PM, Bob Wyman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Over on the Activity Streams list Martin Atkins has been developing
>> >> specs
>> >> for representing activity stream data as Atom entries. It makes a great
>> >> deal
>> >> of sense to me that we should see this data not only provided via
>> >> traditional files, but also using Atom Over XMPP so that real-time
>> >> clients
>> >> can be built. MySpace (represented by Monica Keller) has been
>> >> particularly
>> >> active in helping to refine these extensions to the Atom entry format
>> >> and
>> >> recently announced that MySpace and Yahoo are already sharing Atom
>> >> Activity
>> >> data.
>> >>
>> >> My hope is that "microblogging" services, that have been the focus of
>> >> much
>> >> of the discussion here, will also grow to handle the more general set
>> >> of
>> >> events that ActivityStreams encompasses. It's great that I can generate
>> >> short-messages on something like Identi.ca today and access them over
>> >> XMPP,
>> >> but it would be even better if I could have all my "activity stream"
>> >> data
>> >> and events handled in the same way. If we can get all the data
>> >> published
>> >> over XMPP in a consistent format: "Atom entries with extensions" then
>> >> it
>> >> will be really easy to build some really exciting and innovative
>> >> clients,
>> >> cross-platform services, etc.
>> >>
>> >> For info on Atom Activity Streams, see: http://activitystrea.ms/ (links
>> >> to
>> >> draft specs are provided)
>> >> Discussion is on this list:
>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/activity-streams?hl=en
>> >> Documentation of data published by MySpace is at:
>> >>
>> >> http://developerwiki.myspace.com/index.php?title=Standards_for_Activity_Streams
>> >>
>> >> To give you a quick overview of the kinds of "Activities" or events
>> >> that
>> >> MySpace is supporting, I've included the TOC from their spec below:
>> >>
>> >> 1 Activities Stream Spec Compliant Activities
>> >>
>> >> 1.1 Single User's Activities
>> >> 1.2 Friend Activities
>> >> 1.3 Atom Entry Format for Activities
>> >> 1.4 Photos
>> >>
>> >> 1.4.1 Tagged in Photo
>> >> 1.4.2 Posting a Photo
>> >>
>> >> 1.5 Music
>> >>
>> >> 1.5.1 Posting a Song
>> >> 1.5.2 Sharing a Song
>> >>
>> >> 1.6 Notes
>> >>
>> >> 1.6.1 Posting a Blog
>> >> 1.6.2 Posting a Forum Topic
>> >>
>> >> 1.7 Videos
>> >>
>> >> 1.7.1 Sharing a Video
>> >> 1.7.2 Marking a Video as a Favorite
>> >> 1.7.3 Posting a Video
>> >>
>> >> 1.8 People
>> >>
>> >> 1.8.1 Adding Friends
>> >> 1.8.2 Joining a Group
>> >> 1.8.3 Creating a Friend Category
>> >>
>> >> 1.9 Events
>> >>
>> >> 1.9.1 Band Shows
>> >> 1.9.2 Hosting an event
>> >> 1.9.3 Attending an event
>> >>
>> >> bob wyman
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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