Re: [SOCIAL CREDIT] Thanks

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And thank you, Mr. Gelles.  I would like to comment on your following statements: "But to want ... is to contribute too little  to an agenda for change..." I completely agree with you.  If knowledge is power, then application is supremacy.  I'm in no rush to apply the theories expressed here until I'm satisfied with my understanding of them.  At the point when I am able to fully internalize the information I learn here and from my other studies my trajectory will shift toward implementation.  I fully intend to implement these ideas in the Open Source community and to use my ties in that community to popularize our theories and their implications.    What we are doing here is learning the spirit of these theories and internalizing them.  Albert Camus once wrote that "the spirit alone is of no use against the sword, but the spirit and the sword together will always prevail over the sword alone"  Bear that in mind. An advantage I see to the socialized open-source approach is that a community of very intelligent philosophers (which computer scientists are, even if they are not aware of it--logic is the foundation of philosophy and its unabashed pursuit lives on in the computing community) and mathematicians will be approaching the theories with a critical eye for bugs, loopholes, anything which can cause the system to fail.  Logical loopholes which cause the uncontrollable aggregation of money (social power) in our present system are the bread and butter of computer systems architects. If there are holes which we've failed to identify in our theoretical system, this community will be looking for them, testing the boundaries and weaknesses for a better, simpler, and more usable implementation. "...to make electoral victory by our conservative opponents a nearly certain event." Mr. Gelles, (and everyone else), I wish very strongly to address the use of this thinking, which I believe is a failing in many people's political perceptions.   Please everyone read Bruce Walker's "Orwell, words, politics and the war for freedom " article.  It is brief and succinct, and can be found here: http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0602/0602language.htm While I do not agree with everything Mr. Walker writes, I have corresponded with him at great length about this article, which I believe to be his best work to date.  Mr. Walker in no small way challenged my perceptions of politics and especially the political rhetoric which keeps the great masses of the "western" world in political gridlock  (another term to consider). "... an internet scrip to rival narrower kinds.... the day when Microsoft, Visa and, say, China, team up to introduce debt-free internet money...  may arrive." You'll be happy to know that that day has arrived, but Microsoft and China will have nothing to do with it (everyone breathes a sigh of relief).  I have learned recently that: "some major forces at play in the tech money world, people like Vint Cerf, Tim O'Reilly, Andre Durand, and Cory Doctorow are teaming up with Tom Frey and the futurist think tank, DaVinci Institute, to dive into the forces at play with a Future of Money Summit later this year. They've even tapped a Nobel Prize winner and Visa founder, Dee Hock. They're hoping to answer questions like; what kind of money you'll be putting into vending machines 25 years from now; when will cash disappear; when will our current banking system become obsolete; and who gets to own money in the future?" More information on this can be found at www.futureofmoneysummit.com "But, for now, I'm trying to influence others to promote legal tender debt-free money as a reasonable path to our goals." Which is both reasonable and admirable.  Whatever influence you can muster will help.  Whatever public body can best implement these ideas will be determined through competition.  You know my views on state-centralised control of the monetary system, but I'll reiterate my firm conviction that the state apparatus of every nation in the world is at present wildly out of the public's control, and today's protests should be a signal to everyone that our governments can no longer be trusted to serve our best interests.  For those of you with truly benign governments, please forgive the above statement and send me a copy of your naturalisation requirements so I can plan my expatriation. "On this forum I believe we may have only one professional practicing economist -- of course there may be many more. I'm not one." From the following etymology of the term, [amateur - 1784, from Fr. amateur "lover of," from O.Fr., from L. amatorem (nom. amator) "lover," from amare "to love." ], I am proud and honored to be among so many amateur theorists.  So should all of you be (and I mean no disrespect to the lone professional theorist of our circle). "I'm still mad as hell -- but that Volker thing has passed and the future can sometimes seem promising." Mr. Gelles, (and all of you) I assure you with all the vitality of my youthful perspective that the future holds untold promise.  "Will we reach several decent agendas, one, or several of which, might attract further support?  Probably not. But I hope if we fail it will not be for lack of trying" Profound truth is always louder than lies and deception, Mr. Gelles.  Even if that truth is only whispered.   Please, all of you enjoy your weekends.   --N. 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