----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Gunning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:46 AM Subject: [SOCIAL CREDIT] USSR as a model?
> The message by Wes Burt, on which I am commenting in this email, was > apparently sent to several lists and to others but not to the Social > Credit list, which is the only one to which I subscribe. Wes has a > mailing list and, for some reason, has decided to add me to it. The > subject of his message was "Final Comment on Social Credit by Wally, > Pat, & Bill" and it began with a comment on one of Wally's posts. It > begins with the following: > > >Begin > > Hi folks, > > The recent exchange of emails by Wally, Pat, and Bill > on list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has persuaded me that the national > dividend and compensated price of the social credit policy (SCP) should > produce the same stable and efficient operation of a national economy as > the much simpler optimum policy (TOP). It seems to me that Wally has > captured the moral high ground with his description of the benefits to be > realized by a successful implementation of social credit. We are free to > choose between a complex solution and a simple solution which has been > reduced to practice since 1946 in Europe and Japan. > > I have inserted two comments in the text of Wally's post below, and added > some more background material on social credit in Europe and Japan below > Wally's post. > > >end > > Wes's main goal seems to be to present a message he had sent earlier on > Aug. 6th with the following preface: > > >To: A few friends and many devious defenders of the > status quo (DDotSQ) who want the US economy to > crash so they can buy America at bargain prices. > > >end > > > However, Wes also writes about the discussion between Wally and me. I > want to comment briefly on one of his paragraphs. I apologize for taking > this out of the context. I presume that if he objects, he can express > this to the list. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >(WSB In nations with low levels of indirect taxation, > >like Japan and the United States, the compensated > >price would not be necessary. In the late great USSR, > >92% of the public revenue was collected from indirect > >taxes on the capital plant. Subsidies were used to > >keep the price of necessities low enough for wage > >earners to buy the necessities. WSB) > > > > > > > Often the necessities were not available. When they were, in order to > get them, people had to wait in line for hours. And what about luxuries? > And how about the millions who starved while the czars experimented with > this and that wacky production experiment? Surely you are not suggesting > that we take North Korea or Cuba as a model. > > Wes, I believe that the debate over communism-socialism is over, I > think. The communist-socialists lost both in theory and practice. I > would highly recommend that you read Mises's Socialism. It had > transformed many an idealistic mind. Two versions are available on line > for free. You can find them at the following web site. > Mises arguements were against state capitalism and central planning they do not deal with production for use and common ownership . I have read some one say how would we know what to produce in socialism , the answer is fairly simple you can monitor what is being consumed and produce products accordingly You could use bar codes . computers , items in catolouges etc. .For projects that are larger such as building bridges or planes or trains you have successful models to go by and improvements can be made quite rationaly . Social credit is a distraction from the real problems facing humanity such as war starvation and poverty .Which can only be solved by getting rid of capitalim and replacing it with socialism . WD Mclellan Socialist . > http://www.mises.org/scholar.asp > > -- > Pat Gunning, Feng Chia University, Taiwan; > New book: UNDERSTANDING DEMOCRACY > http://www.constitution.org/pd/gunning/votehtm/cove&buy.htm > Web pages on Praxeological Economics, Democracy, Taiwan, Ludwig von Mises, Austrian > Economics, and my University Classes; > http://www.constitution.org/pd/gunning/welcome.htm > and > http://knight.fcu.edu.tw/~gunning/welcome.htm > > > > > --^---------------------------------------------------------------- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a84IaC.bcVIgP.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^----------------------------------------------------------------
