Re: New ww.Lagoa.com

[Jason S]

I can see how anything cloud related can be salivated upon by  "master ass owners" (what do people want more than their own things.. then becoming leverage-able poker chips) But you can be sure that the (current) terms won't be getting any less confusing/self-contradictory/restrictive  now being under an invasive, all rights reserving machine. From "Re: New ww.Lagoa.com" __________________________________ On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Xavier Lapointe <xl.mailingl...@gmail.com> wrote: More specifically this paragraph: You hereby grant to Lagoa a non-exclusive, royalty free, paid up, worldwide, sublicensable (but only to affiliates of Lagoa) right and license to use the information that you submit as part of the Services to copy, create, make derivative works of, display, or publicly perform the Renderings or any component thereof, provided that Lagoa shall not use the Renderings beyond the Privacy Settings that You and Lagoa have agreed to as part of the Scope of Services, and provided, further, that the license to any Renderings you have created until such time as you have paid Lagoa for use of the Services shall be irrevocable and freely sublicensable as long as such use of the Renderings is limited to the purposes of promoting Lagoa, Lagoa’s models, Lagoa’s services, or You, as the artist thereof, from the creation of such Renderings until the date that is six (6) months after the expiration or termination of your subscription to the Services.  You authorize Lagoa, on a royalty-free basis, to use and exploit any aggregated data regarding your use of the Services along with aggregated data regarding others users’ use of the Services, so long as such use does not identify You. __________________________________ On 03/04/2013 12:04 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: It's pretty standard legal BS for any cloud service, without it they could be sued for holding onto the files they need to render for you with the back-end. I very, very seriously doubt Thiago plans to use without permission any of the material rendered through teamUp for promotion or sales, but the gray area of cloud services requires some rather (overly) robust wording on the fact they have rights on the information you provide. They don't acquire the IP or license for distribution in any form with that, those are the clauses you really have to watch out for. The former is impossible (illegal) but constitutes vice of form, the latter can plant a sizeable penis firmly up your colon, especially if you're contracting. __________________________________ On 04/05/13 1:18, Thiago Costa wrote: Hi guys, good points. As Raff and Alan pointed out, these things are quite standard to operate the kind of service we do. Xavier, you didn't paste the full clause, it reads: As between You and Lagoa, Lagoa does not claim any rights to any Renderings or the intellectual property that You submit to Lagoa for the purpose of creating such Renderings, __________________________________ On 04/06/13 23:13, Jason S wrote: While I too have no doubt Lagoa can be trusted, the fact that such clauses can be standard for clouds gives me chills :s I'm positive that users wouldn't have to 'agree' to too vaguely worded (or lengthy) clauses that may be potentially compromising, just by 'accepting' to use it, and that default privacy settings would be set to what most people would set them to, if they actually made it to the settings page. (unlike most social networks)