Such marvelous insight. Thanks for sharing Steven.
Great info.

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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 1:46 PM Steven Caron <[email protected]> wrote:

> It would be purely speculative to comment about Animal Logic's pipeline.
> So I won't.
>
> I can see what your saying about people using Softimage probably
> appreciate something like USD more than users of other packages but the
> desire to work this way has been around for a while. We have had slice of
> this with Softimage a lot longer than most, we also had better render
> passes then everyone else for probably a decade. Maybe links are being made
> but just not as deep as you think. People have wanted something like USD
> for many years, I think you see people embracing it because they needed it
> so bad.
>
> I did work at Omation, I honestly am a little fuzzy about the details but
> I used (and tested) Helge, Adam, and Mike's work on 'metascene'. But it
> wasn't that similar to USD and it kinda solved some issues which were
> unique to Softimage at the time. Which then Helge went to work at Avid and
> helped address with the 6.0 referencing rewrite.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 11:31 AM Jonathan Moore <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> And now that I have the right Steve, I believe you worked at Omation
>> during the period of the Spider-man reboots (and Barnyard) so any other
>> nuggets would be appreciated. :)
>>
>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 19:23, Jonathan Moore <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Steve, do you think that having a familiarity with the way that
>>> namespaces working inside of Softimage Models (not just Reference Models)
>>> provides an advantage for those looking to utilise USD in their pipeline.
>>> The parallels I was alluding to originally was inspired by a couple of old
>>> posts by Andy Nicolas and Helge Mathee on the Softimage Blog back in 2005.
>>>
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>>>
>>> The prescience on show from the pair as to the potential of an XML based
>>> pipeline is impressive, and has many parallels to the USD benefits we see
>>> realised today (particularly in Helge's post, Andy's provides to technical
>>> insight without getting into the vision too much). Obviously we're talking
>>> 2005 here but it feels to me that USD has in part grown from the more
>>> sophisticated pipelines of the 00's (Helge references the pipeline used on
>>> the first two Spiderman reboots of the 00's).
>>>
>>> Considering that Animal Logic were pretty much a Softimage shop, well
>>> from 2003 onward (with Houdini for FX) pre Soft's EOL, it's seems more than
>>> coincidence that they were responsible for the first robust open source USD
>>> implementation.
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm making links were none exist, but I can see a big advantage in
>>> recruiting technical artists with a Soft background as USD and MaterialX
>>> gain traction.
>>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:47, Jonathan Moore <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My bad, that's exactly who I was thinking of. 🤦
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:42, Steven Caron <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am not part of the Arnold team... I work at Quixel now. Maybe you're
>>>>> thinking of magnificent Stephen Blair?
>>>>>
>>>>> *written with my thumbs
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 8:34 AM Jonathan Moore <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve, have you had any exposure to the Maya plugin version of Animal
>>>>>> Logic's USD environment? I understand you're part of the Arnold team 
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> days, but I wondered if you've been exposed to anything you can talk 
>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Aug 2019 at 16:25, Steven Caron <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> USD has an API, can be edited with python, and a human readable
>>>>>>> format if desired. All huge benefits over 'ref models'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *written with my thumbs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019, 4:25 AM Jonathan Moore <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At a high level USD and the way that referencing was handled in
>>>>>>>> Softimage through 'Models' has many parallels. I'm interested in any
>>>>>>>> thoughts and opinions some of you may have having utilised both USD and
>>>>>>>> Softimage 'Referenced Models'. Even if you haven't used USD in 
>>>>>>>> production
>>>>>>>> yet I'm interested in any thoughts you may have regarding its possible
>>>>>>>> benefits and pitfalls.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is an open question so I won't colour it with my opinions but
>>>>>>>> any thoughts you might have will be most appreciated as I'm providing 
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> background info for a client.
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