Thanks for your information.

I would like to bring back this discussion once again. It is a good
idea to have an individual document for the MTU and fragmentation
issues. But I noticed there is RFC 4459 discussing MTU and
Fragmentation Issues with In-the-Network Tunneling. Is this RFC 4459 a
product of softwire wg?

Thanks,
-Zhen

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Lee, Yiu <[email protected]> wrote:
> We have many discussions in the IETF-75 meeting about optimizing
> fragmentation. In the end, the group agreed that this draft isn’t the best
> place to discuss the optimization. For fragmentation problem shares among
> all the tunneling protocols, this is not unique to ds-lite technology. The
> chairs suggested we should produce another draft which only discusses
> fragmentation strategy for tunnel protocols.
>
>
> On 8/17/09 9:48 AM, "Zhen Cao" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi Yiu,
>
> Thanks for your message. In this sense, any methods except
> fragmentation and assembly are optimization and up to implementation.
> But it is not a bad idea to introduce some suggestion for
> implementation in the draft, so keeping the text for TSS option and
> others is also reasonable.
>
> Best regards,
> Zhen
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Lee, Yiu<[email protected]> wrote:
>> This is *not* recommended because it will require the v4 host to know
>> about
>> ds-lite. This won’t work for home router model where the hosts behind the
>> ds-lite home router won’t know about ds-lite. Besides, the v4 packet isn’t
>> over-sized, it is the v6 encapsulation caused the oversized issue. So the
>> tunnel points are responsible to handle the fragmentation.
>>
>> In the hosted model, the host is aware of ds-lite. The host can in fact
>> reduce the v4 packet size to avoid fragmentation. This optimization is up
>> to
>> the implementation rather than mandated in the draft.
>>
>>
>> On 8/16/09 9:42 PM, "Zhen Cao" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Yiu,
>>
>> Thanks for your clarification.
>>
>> Do you consider another method that let the IPv4 packet inside the
>> tunnel do fragmentation at a lower MTU (link-MTU - 40), so that the
>> packet won't exceed the MTU after IPv6 header encapsulation. Then
>> there is no need of IPv6 encapsulation and assembly.  I believe this
>> is more cost efficient than IPv6 fragmentation and assembly.
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>> Zhen
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Lee, Yiu<[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Zhen,
>>>
>>> In general, the Tunnel-Entry Point and Tunnel-Exist Point should fragment
>>> and reassemble the oversize datagram. This mechanism is transport
>>> protocol
>>> agnostic and work for both UDP and TCP.
>>>
>>> For TCP, we “could” potentially avoid fragmentation by modify MSS option.
>>> However, we were required by the Chairs to remove this optimization from
>>> the
>>> draft in next update.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Yiu
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/16/09 3:56 AM, "Zhen Cao" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Alain and All,
>>>
>>> I have a question on MTU issue in ipv4-in-ipv6 softwire. I notice
>>> Sec.10.2 of DS-Lite draft has discussed the MTU problem. The draft
>>> introduces one possible way of using TCP MSS option to avoid IP layer
>>> fragmentation and reassembly. It is a good idea but how about the case
>>> for UDP sockets? I suppose there should be a general way to handle the
>>> MTU issue? Thanks for any explanation.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards,
>>> Zhen
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>>
>>
>>
>
>
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