Hi Erick,

in the none HDFS case that sounds logical but in the HDFS case all the index data is in the shared HDFS file system. Even the transaction logs should be in there. So the node that once had the replica should not really have more information then any other node, especially if legacyClound is set to false so having ZooKeeper truth.

regards,
Hendrik

On 22.02.2017 02:28, Erick Erickson wrote:
Hendrik:

bq: Not really sure why one replica needs to be up though.

I didn't write the code so I'm guessing a bit, but consider the
situation where you have no replicas for a shard up and add a new one.
Eventually it could become the leader but there would have been no
chance for it to check if it's version of the index was up to date.
But since it would be the leader, when other replicas for that shard
_do_ come on line they'd replicate the index down from the newly added
replica, possibly using very old data.

FWIW,
Erick

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Hendrik Haddorp
<hendrik.hadd...@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi,

I had opened SOLR-10092 (https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SOLR-10092)
for this a while ago. I was now able to gt this feature working with a very
small code change. After a few seconds Solr reassigns the replica to a
different Solr instance as long as one replica is still up. Not really sure
why one replica needs to be up though. I added the patch based on Solr 6.3
to the bug report. Would be great if it could be merged soon.

regards,
Hendrik

On 19.01.2017 17:08, Hendrik Haddorp wrote:
HDFS is like a shared filesystem so every Solr Cloud instance can access
the data using the same path or URL. The clusterstate.json looks like this:

"shards":{"shard1":{
         "range":"80000000-7fffffff",
         "state":"active",
         "replicas":{
           "core_node1":{
             "core":"test1.collection-0_shard1_replica1",
"dataDir":"hdfs://master...:8000/test1.collection-0/core_node1/data/",
             "base_url":"http://slave3....:9000/solr";,
             "node_name":"slave3....:9000_solr",
             "state":"active",

"ulogDir":"hdfs://master....:8000/test1.collection-0/core_node1/data/tlog"},
           "core_node2":{
             "core":"test1.collection-0_shard1_replica2",
"dataDir":"hdfs://master....:8000/test1.collection-0/core_node2/data/",
             "base_url":"http://slave2....:9000/solr";,
             "node_name":"slave2....:9000_solr",
             "state":"active",

"ulogDir":"hdfs://master....:8000/test1.collection-0/core_node2/data/tlog",
             "leader":"true"},
           "core_node3":{
             "core":"test1.collection-0_shard1_replica3",
"dataDir":"hdfs://master....:8000/test1.collection-0/core_node3/data/",
             "base_url":"http://slave4....:9005/solr";,
             "node_name":"slave4....:9005_solr",
             "state":"active",

"ulogDir":"hdfs://master....:8000/test1.collection-0/core_node3/data/tlog"}}}}

So every replica is always assigned to one node and this is being stored
in ZK, pretty much the same as for none HDFS setups. Just as the data is not
stored locally but on the network and as the path does not contain any node
information you can of course easily take over the work to a different Solr
node. You should just need to update the owner of the replica in ZK and you
should basically be done, I assume. That's why the documentation states that
an advantage of using HDFS is that a failing node can be replaced by a
different one. The Overseer just has to move the ownership of the replica,
which seems like what the code is trying to do. There just seems to be a bug
in the code so that the core does not get created on the target node.

Each data directory also contains a lock file. The documentation states
that one should use the HdfsLockFactory, which unfortunately can easily lead
to SOLR-8335, which hopefully will be fixed by SOLR-8169. A manual cleanup
is however also easily done but seems to require a node restart to take
effect. But I'm also only recently playing around with all this ;-)

regards,
Hendrik

On 19.01.2017 16:40, Shawn Heisey wrote:
On 1/19/2017 4:09 AM, Hendrik Haddorp wrote:
Given that the data is on HDFS it shouldn't matter if any active
replica is left as the data does not need to get transferred from
another instance but the new core will just take over the existing
data. Thus a replication factor of 1 should also work just in that
case the shard would be down until the new core is up. Anyhow, it
looks like the above call is missing to set the shard id I guess or
some code is checking wrongly.
I know very little about how SolrCloud interacts with HDFS, so although
I'm reasonably certain about what comes below, I could be wrong.

I have not ever heard of SolrCloud being able to automatically take over
an existing index directory when it creates a replica, or even share
index directories unless the admin fools it into doing so without its
knowledge.  Sharing an index directory for replicas with SolrCloud would
NOT work correctly.  Solr must be able to update all replicas
independently, which means that each of them will lock its index
directory and write to it.

It is my understanding (from reading messages on mailing lists) that
when using HDFS, Solr replicas are all separate and consume additional
disk space, just like on a regular filesystem.

I found the code that generates the "No shard id" exception, but my
knowledge of how the zookeeper code in Solr works is not deep enough to
understand what it means or how to fix it.

Thanks,
Shawn


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