Hi David, I skimmed through thread and don’t see if already eliminated, so will ask: Can you check if there are some copyField rules that are triggered when new field is added. You mentioned that ordering fixed the size of the index, but might be worth checking.
Emir -- Monitoring - Log Management - Alerting - Anomaly Detection Solr & Elasticsearch Consulting Support Training - http://sematext.com/ > On 16 Feb 2018, at 05:05, Erick Erickson <erickerick...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This isn't terribly useful without a similar dump of "the other" index > directory. The point is to compare the different extensions some > segment where the sum of all the files in that segment is roughly > equal. So if you have a listing of the old index around, that would > help. > > bq: We don't have any deleted docs in our index, as we always build it > from a brand new virtual machine with a brand new installation of > Solr. > > Well, that's an assumption I want to check. Here's the problem. It's > possible that the ordering bit you're talking about is really masking > indexing the same <uniqueKey> multiple times. Since indexing a doc > with the same <uniqueKey> just marks the old doc as deleted, the old > doc will take up room in your index until it's purged during segment > merging. This is a _really_ long shot mind you, I have a hard time > believing that this is the root cause here. It's worth checking > though. Even doing a q=*:* won't help since that doesn't count deleted > docs. Take a quick glance at the admin overview page for a core and > check, there is "maxDoc", "deletedDocs" and "numDocs". I expect > deletedDocs will be zero and numDocs and maxDoc will be your 14M, but > this problem is so odd that I'm covering as many bases as I can think > of ;) > > Now, ordering may appear to change things, but that could simply be > that the deleted docs don't happen to fall in segments that are > merged. Again, this is unlikely but possible. > > The shortcut here would be to optimize afterwards. In the usual course > of events this should _not_ be necessary (or even desirable) unless > you do it every time you build your index for arcane reasons, see: > https://lucidworks.com/2017/10/13/segment-merging-deleted-documents-optimize-may-bad/. > But if you do optimize (forceMerge) and the size drops back to more > reasonable levels it would be a clue. > > Ordering simply should not affect the final index size except for, > possibly, changing the number of deleted docs in the index largely > through chance. If you do see a dramatic difference, try the optimize > thing to check. > > If simple ordering _does_ really make a difference (outside of number > of deleted docs) my understanding of Solr is going to undergo a > revision. And we'll probably be raising a JIRA or two ;) > > Now, what I really expect the issue is is one of two things: > 1> you have some options turned on now that weren't before, either > through some innocent-seeming change, a change in the internal > defaults etc. > 2> your SQL with the extra field is behaving unexpectedly. > > The proof is of course in the pudding... > > Best, > Erick > > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Howe, David <david.h...@auspost.com.au> > wrote: >> >> Hi Erick, >> >> I have the full dump of the Solr index file sizes as well if that is of any >> help. I have attached it below this message. >> >> We don't have any deleted docs in our index, as we always build it from a >> brand new virtual machine with a brand new installation of Solr. >> >> The ordering is definitely making a difference, as I can run the same >> indexing configuration over a table with the same data just in different >> orders and it produces these vastly different results. I have been chasing >> this for a couple of weeks trying to work out what the difference is when we >> just add one extra field. The difference that I have found is that the >> extra field causes the staging table population query to be optimised >> differently and to select the records in a different sequence. When I force >> the records back to their original sequence, the index goes back to being >> small again. >> >> I'm currently re-building my staging data to try and get it into the same >> order as before and including the extra field. 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