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On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:49 PM Joel Bernstein <joels...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You can be pretty sure that adding static warming queries will improve your > performance following softcommits. But, opening new searchers every 2 > seconds may be too fast to allow for warming so you may need to adjust. As > a general rule you cannot open searchers faster than you can warm them. > > Joel Bernstein > http://joelsolr.blogspot.com/ > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 5:54 PM Revas <revas2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi joel, No, we have not, we have softCommit requirement of 2 secs. > > > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:31 PM Joel Bernstein <joels...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Have you configured static warming queries for the facets? This will warm > > > the cache structures for the facet fields. You just want to make sure you > > > commits are spaced far enough apart that the warming completes before a > > new > > > searcher starts warming. > > > > > > > > > Joel Bernstein > > > http://joelsolr.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:27 AM Revas <revas2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Erick, Thanks for the explanation and advise. With facet queries, > > does > > > > doc Values help at all ? > > > > > > > > 1) indexed=true, docValues=true => all facets > > > > > > > > 2) > > > > > > > > - indexed=true , docValues=true => only for subfacets > > > > - inexed=true, docValues=false=> facet query > > > > - docValues=true, indexed=false=> term facets > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of 1 above, => Indexing slowed considerably. over all facet > > > > performance improved many fold > > > > In case of 2 => over all performance showed only slight > > > > improvement > > > > > > > > Does that mean turning on docValues even for facet query helps improve > > > the > > > > performance, fetching from docValues for facet query is faster than > > > > fetching from stored fields ? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:50 PM Erick Erickson < > > erickerick...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > DocValues should help when faceting over fields, i.e. > > facet.field=blah. > > > > > > > > > > I would expect docValues to help with sub facets and, but don’t know > > > > > the code well enough to say definitely one way or the other. > > > > > > > > > > The empirical approach would be to set “uninvertible=true” (Solr 7.6) > > > and > > > > > turn docValues off. What that means is that if any operation tries to > > > > > uninvert > > > > > the index on the Java heap, you’ll get an exception like: > > > > > "can not sort on a field w/o docValues unless it is indexed=true > > > > > uninvertible=true and the type supports Uninversion:” > > > > > > > > > > See SOLR-12962 > > > > > > > > > > Speed is only one issue. The entire point of docValues is to not > > > > “uninvert” > > > > > the field on the heap. This used to lead to very significant memory > > > > > pressure. So when turning docValues off, you run the risk of > > > > > reverting back to the old behavior and having unexpected memory > > > > > consumption, not to mention slowdowns when the uninversion > > > > > takes place. > > > > > > > > > > Also, unless your documents are very large, this is a tiny corpus. It > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > quite hard to get realistic numbers, the signal gets lost in the > > noise. > > > > > > > > > > You should only shard when your individual query times exceed your > > > > > requirement. Say you have a 95%tile requirement of 1 second response > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > Let’s further say that you can meet that requirement with 50 > > > > > queries/second, > > > > > but when you get to 75 queries/second your response time exceeds your > > > > > requirements. Do NOT shard at this point. Add another replica > > instead. > > > > > Sharding adds inevitable overhead and should only be considered when > > > > > you can’t get adequate response time even under fairly light query > > > loads > > > > > as a general rule. > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > Erick > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 16, 2020, at 12:08 PM, Revas <revas2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Erick, You are correct, we have only about 1.8M documents so far > > > and > > > > > > turning on the indexing on the facet fields helped improve the > > > timings > > > > of > > > > > > the facet query a lot which has (sub facets and facet queries). So > > > does > > > > > > docValues help at all for sub facets and facet query, our tests > > > > > > revealed further query time improvement when we turned off the > > > > docValues. > > > > > > is that the right approach? > > > > > > > > > > > > Currently we have only 1 shard and we are thinking of scaling by > > > > > > increasing the number of shards when we see a deterioration on > > query > > > > > time. > > > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:21 AM Erick Erickson < > > > > erickerick...@gmail.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> In a word, “yes”. I also suspect your corpus isn’t very big. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I think the key is the facet queries. Now, I’m talking from > > > > > >> theory rather than diving into the code, but querying on > > > > > >> a docValues=true, indexed=false field is really doing a > > > > > >> search. And searching on a field like that is effectively > > > > > >> analogous to a table scan. Even if somehow an internal > > > > > >> structure would be constructed to deal with it, it would > > > > > >> probably be on the heap, where you don’t want it. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> So the test would be to take the queries out and measure > > > > > >> performance, but I think that’s the root issue here. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Best, > > > > > >> Erick > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> On Apr 14, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Revas <revas2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> We have faceting fields that have been defined as indexed=false, > > > > > >>> stored=false and docValues=true > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> However we use a lot of subfacets using json facets and facet > > > > ranges > > > > > >>> using facet.queries. We see that after every soft-commit our > > > > > performance > > > > > >>> worsens and performs ideal between commits > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> how is that docValue fields are affected by soft-commit and do we > > > > need > > > > > to > > > > > >>> enable indexing if we use subfacets and facet query to improve > > > > > >> performance? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Tha > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
