Hi Adam, Hi Jan, Thanks for your feedback on this issue.
I like the idea of telling people (politely) to google/bingle/yahoogle... or use the mailing-list archive :) > shoot... feet... if we don't support each other. Because I like the idea of supporting each other ... but after a certain minimum of self-effort to resolve the problem (e.g. by doing the above first). I can understand that one can get angry about people for just being lazy and/or thoughtless when posting to a mailing-list. But it's better to stay polite - agreed :) I hope my tone was not to harsh. Best, Knuth --- On 10/29/2010 05:35 AM, Jan Groth wrote: > All, > > as a reader (not a writer) of this mailinglist, I strongly discourage the > idea to split up into two separate lists. I like to follow (and benefit > from) the information the way it is. > > I fully support Adam's point: This is not a general Linux forum, BUT if > unrelated questions do pop up, there's certainly a way to say this is a > polite and friendly way. Because at the end of the day we (Linux users) are > shooting in our own feet if we don't support each other. > > cheers, > Jan > > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Adam Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> I actually have to agree to Norbert. >> >> Hmm, I agree with Norbert but I don't agree with the tone. If >> people are >> going to get annoyed everytime someone else does something which they don't >> approve of then maybe they need to go off and form their own society, >> because >> it will always happen :(. >> >> In defence of Denys, he probably just assumed that it was an issue >> with >> my particular kernel, which IS sony z series related and information about >> it >> can only be found here. That is obviously an incorrect assumption but for >> someone who is trying to get Linux running who does not understand the >> technical stuff ( which is the sort of person that Linux needs to appeal to >> if >> it has any hope of mass adoption ) would not necessarily understand that or >> know where to find the answers. Any mailing list that you care to set up >> which >> doesn't have some sort of an examination as a membership qualification will >> fall foul of the same thing eventually. If people would just play nicely >> then >> the world would be a better place... ( Adam gets off his soap box now. ) >> >> Let me make it clear though that my kernel is based on a >> pre-release, and >> the Intel fixes are also new. This list isn't the place to get support on >> either, unless you are asking about specific Z series components which do >> not >> work AND you have looked on your favourite search engine for the answers >> first! Then the thread would be about how to get the component working, >> which >> is sort of the point of this list :). >> >> Denys - VirtualBox DOES work on my kernel because I use it - I >> thought >> that the latest VirtualBox had all of the necessary patches included, but >> search google for "VirtualBox 2.6.36" and you should find the answers. >> >> Adam. >> >> >>> And I can add from my perspective: >>> That it would be nice to not have everybody that tries to install an >>> UBUNTU system gets full user-support via this mailing list (I am talking >>> about the cases that took in 10-15 back and forth mails and did not >>> reveal any /new/ or /updated/ information - except for the newbie trying >>> to use Ubuntu without reading one of the howtos out there already for >>> this). >>> >>> Norbert: >>> Maybe the solution is to split off into our own mailing-list? >>> I could try to organize this. >>> >>> Adam: Would you join us? >>> >>> Anyway we were all young once... but a bit more rtfm would be nice :) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Knuth >>> >>> --- >>> >>> On 10/28/2010 12:05 PM, Norbert Preining wrote: >>>> On Do, 28 Okt 2010, Denys Pasishnyi wrote: >>>>> Excuse me! In first email I don't explain good my question. >>>> >>>> And even in the second it has nothing to do genuinely with SOny >> laptops? >>>> It is just that you don't know how to manage a linux system.. >>>> >>>>> Error! Your kernel headers for kernel 2.6.36-0-vaioz cannot be found >> at >>>>> /lib/modules/2.6.36-0-vaioz/build or >> /lib/modules/2.6.36-0-vaioz/source. >>>> >>>> Then you have to compile your own kernel with the patches necessary, >>>> otherwise you will not get virtualbox nor vmware to run, that is life. >>>> >>>> Norbert >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Norbert Preining prein...@{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, >> debian.org} >>>> JAIST, Japan TeX Live & Debian >> Developer >>>> DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 >> B094 >>>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> DORRIDGE (n.) >>>> Technical term for one of the lame excuses written in very small print >>>> on the side of packets of food or washing powder to explain why >>>> there's hardly anything inside. 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