P.S. I have tried intercepting these messages using Outlook rules
and have been repeatedly frustrated with the small number of
rules that Outlook lets you use. It does not work.
-----Original Message-----
From: Weber, Anthony A.(Tony)
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 6:10 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Whitelisting for spam reports
Tony,
The "whitelist"/"blacklist" capability is very weak in most of the Spam
packages I have used.
I, and I suspect many others out there, have accumulated quite a lengthy
list of addresses that fall into one of the two lists. It would be VERY
nice if a text file could be imported into the application to add
"whitelist"/"blacklist"
entries. There should also be a capability to backup and reload these if
possible.
Just my $.25.
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Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 14:20:04 +0100
From: Richie Hindle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Whitelisting for spam reports
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[Manuel]
> I prefer to always train everything to keep my filter up2date.
[Tony]
> Research has shown, in every case, that this will give you inferior
> results to training on errors & unsures only.
Whether you train on everything, or only on mistakes and unsures, doesn't
make a lot of difference to Manuel's argument. Either way, he needs to scan
down the list and mentally filter out the spamcop replies - with mistakes
and unsures he wouldn't need to click the mouse for many of them, but the
fact that they're there makes life harder.
I don't think Manuel's request actually counts as whitelisting at all, and I
think it's quite reasonable. What he wants (Manuel, correct me if I'm
wrong) is to filter out certain senders from the training list. All
messages from spamcop would be automatically set to Discard and omitted from
the training list. His email client's whitelisting rules would ensure that
they ended up in the right place. Any messages that claimed to be from
spamcop but weren't would be problem - they would get through the filters,
and they would be untrainable, but as I understand it Manuel doesn't have a
problem with that (as the FAQ points out, the SpamBayes developers see much
more forged senders than ordinary users do).
When you look at it like this, I think it's quite a reasonable feature
request. I'd appreciate this feature myself (although not enough to spend
the time to implement it, I'm afraid). I get a lot of bounce messages from
the victims of spammers who are using my address as a forged From address.
I wouldn't be comfortable training on them, because they are pretty much
indistinguishable from real bounce messages - I have to check myself that
the bounced address isn't one that I've sent mail to. I could use this
feature to declutter my training lists.
> OK, my fault, i think i overrated the abilities of the developers.
...but Tony is dead right - this sort of thing doesn't help.
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Richie Hindle
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:30:51 +1300
From: Tony Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Whitelisting for spam reports
To: Richie Hindle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
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[Manuel]
>> I prefer to always train everything to keep my filter up2date.
[Richie]
> I don't think Manuel's request actually counts as whitelisting at all,
I agree (I said that somewhere else in the thread, I think).
> and I think it's quite reasonable. What he wants (Manuel, correct me
> if I'm
> wrong) is to filter out certain senders from the training list. All
> messages from spamcop would be automatically set to Discard and
> omitted from the training list.
This is much the same as the existing ability to filter out 'bulk'
mail from the training list.
> When you look at it like this, I think it's quite a reasonable feature
> request.
I don't have time to implement this at the moment either. The thing to do,
if Manuel (or anyone else interested in this) isn't able to put together a
patch himself, would be to open a feature request at
<http://sf.net/projects/spambayes>. Ideally, don't mention "whitelisting"
(someone might mistakenly close it); call it something like "Exclusion list
for training list". Someone, at some time, will probably get to it.
I suppose the UI for it would just be a text box where you can enter comma
separated addresses.
If this gets added, is only the "From" header worth considering? Or should
there be corresponding options for other headers (e.g. "To", "Subject").
=Tony.Meyer
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:03:08 +1000
From: "Bill Hely" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Spambayes] Free SpamBayes eBook
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