I agree completely. The distress is self-inflicted. Just like when I close Microsoft Word accidentally after spending a whole day typing my report and thereby loose an entire day's work, but I don't because it reminds my tired head to click 'Save'. Fortunately for me, software can easily be written to help with human situations. It is one of the over-riding principals of good software development that software should be written to suit the human condition rather than the humans having to change the way they are to accommodate the software (or any machine for that matter) hence we have safety guards on chain-saws and air-bags in cars. Regards, Andoni OConchubhair
_____ From: Carl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 June 2008 13:27 To: OConchubhair, Andoni; [email protected] Subject: RE: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERYIMPORTANT With all due respect, there is nothing private about the internet to begin with. Don't put anything in an email or in a post on a website that you would not like to read in the newspaper. Except for secure servers and scrambling, the internet is not private and was not intended to be. When I joined the Spambayes email list, the warning notification was there, in plain sight, and I read it. Those to whom this has caused serious distress either (1) failed to take the time to read the warning; (2) are uniformed regarding internet security and privacy; (3) are careless with their internet security or any combination of the preceding. The distress is self inflicted and not the responsibility of Spambayes. Carl Swofford Florida State Captain Patriot Guard Riders [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 386-793-0030 Riding in loving memory of CW2 Justin S. Swofford -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 7:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Spambayes] FW: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERYIMPORTANT -----Original Message----- From: OConchubhair, Andoni Sent: 30 June 2008 11:55 To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Cc: Carrie Deutsch; 'Amedee Van Gasse' Subject: RE: =Spambayes= PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT Hi, Mail Chain moved from Spambayes User list. http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2008-June/021978.html <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/2008-June/021978.html> Though I would usually agree with this, now that I have spent a few months on this list I find that the number of people to whom this causes serious distress is significant. The warning IS there when you sign up but I imagine that I didn't read it and I can therefore see how many others might not have either. Good software practice involves checking with users when a decision they have made is going to have a serious impact: "Do you want to save the changes before exiting: Yes/No/Cancel" being the obvious example. To that end, I suggest that someone who knows how might add a confirmation checkbox and popup window to the sentence: "Please note that this is a public mailing list: all messages sent to this list are visible to the public, and are publicly archived." The point would be that you can click on a link to pop up a box which explains the public nature of this list. There would also be a check-box which you have to check to acknowledge that you understand, before it will allow you to click the "Subscribe" button at the bottom of the page. A bit like the "Terms & Conditions" check-boxes in many corporate download sites. Thanks, Andoni OConchubhair -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] On Behalf Of Amedee Van Gasse Sent: 30 June 2008 10:54 To: Carrie Deutsch Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Spambayes] PLEASE REPLY TO THIS EMAIL _ IT IS VERY IMPORTANT On Mon, June 30, 2008 03:53, Carrie Deutsch wrote: > Sorry about failing netiquette. > > I had no idea it was a public email I was sending. There was no indication > of that when I first sent the email, I thought I was emailing the people > concerned, and I was pretty annoyed, as I had obviously given them my > contact details not knowing they would be attached to some form that would > go public. > > I guess there is nothing I can do now, and my contact details I see got > attached to the email that I had no idea was public as it was in my > signature. > > I don't think it is good that an email address on a website should lead to > a > public list if you don't know that it will > > Thanks for your response > > Carrie I'm sorry to tell you that it is clearly stated on the website: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html <http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/contact.html> There are currently five mailing lists of interest. All lists are public, and all are publicly archived. This is normal practice for open-source projects, and you should be aware that all email sent to one of these addresses will be visible to the world _______________________________________________ [email protected] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes> Info/Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html <http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html>
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