rasa
i think its worth drawing a distinction between the soviet union and the
russian federation both politically and historically
i understand that living next to russia after years of occupation by the
soviet union is very different to living in the uk
i don't believe russia has any intention to invade latvia unless latvian
ethnic russians are systematically killed by latvian nazis and nato
constructs a network of offences bio-war labs along the lv/ru border
its important to not allow our past traumas to be exploited by foreign
agents
lithuanian seems likely to be the first baltic country to be attacked
given its very provocative blockade of kalingrad
hope all is well
heath
On Sun, 17 Jul 2022, Rasa Smite wrote:
heath
I am sorry, but your messages don't make any sense, they are full of "jumbled
thoughts", or may be my English is not sophisticated enough but I don't get
your point,
may I make it bit more clear here - that since the Feb 24, 2022 (war in
Ukraine started) there are basically only two sides - either you support
Ukraine's fight to get free from Russia's occupants, or you accept that
Putin's Russia can go on and take the dominance, continuing to use their
worst and most cynical war methods against civilians in Ukraine - now, and
later in other countries.. (they will never stop, as they never have enough -
not only many experts say so, but also my personal experience - of living my
first 20 years in my life in Russia's occupied Latvia).
there is no other third way, as this is not a democratic country we deal
with, it's based on lies, it always was, and these lies are very different
ones than those in your 'bad' capitalist countries, because they are really
dangerous, 'imperialistic' (as you say) and chauvinistic, they make other
nations they occupy lesser than them, and make other world to believe their
'cultures' are bigger and better, while our (other Eastern European, and
former occupied countries) voices then have always been shut up, you were
used to call us "rusophobs", which is totally not the case and never was,
many of my best friends are Russians.
can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?
of course not! the 'nice' Western people already for too long have accepted
Russia's Kremlin propaganda and their hybrid media wars as in Baltics, never
taking too seriously, and again calling us Rusophobes, Western countries were
always shutting us up when our governments gave the serious warnings in
various (especially recent ones) European meetings.
so either you listen bit more carefully what the other nations who have been
under long occupation think of the war in Ukraine and Russia as country,
or you can try yourself to visit Russia and try to figure out what the 140
million people there really think..
or, move to Latvia, if you really want to understand and personally
experience how does it feel to live just 200 km from the border of the big
threatening country, who already occupied us once. it is here very different
feeling to be here - as Latvia (which is rather poor country) is hosting 40
000 refugees from Ukraine, where my friends are delivering jeep cars
privately to the Ukraine to help them (while other pacifistic Western
European countries deny or delay their military support), and we do this
because at least 30% by official statistics believe that we will be next...
(sooner or later).
so any, even the most tiniest expression or sign of a help or support such as
an art residency or writing activist project, supporting Ukrainian position
is worth it, because it is a simply a humanistic act, so much needed, as
their hearts and lives are broken no matter if they have escaped, but they
are aware of that in their country Russian militarists continue to kill and
rape...
so while pacifism has long way to be achieved, there are humans and their
lives that need any support or a sign of any solidarity now...
any critical skepticism towards those who do something is the least needed.
Jaanis sent you great sources, you better read them first before questioning,
if they are trustful enough for you.
and last but not least, I also can share my own 'jumbled thoughts' by
referring to Manovich's post in FB, when he said that please consider that
many people (especially young ones) in Russia would prefer to live in your
"rotten" capitalist system. So am I, as I have experienced both - communist
and capitalist governments. And here I am largely suspicious about your
pacifistic ideas, as well as other UK's May 1st Day activist ambivalent
intents (how I call them - marxists with Porsche): may be you simply don't
want countries like Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, etc. to share with your
capitalist "goods" and people achieving just to live their normal lives?
best
Rasa
On 16/07/2022 14:49, heath bunting wrote:
jaanis
thanks for links - will take a look - not hopeful for making
good decision on these though, as it takes years of careful scrutiny
to determine whether sources are reliable and not mouthpieces for in-tell
agencies
why does russian state propaganda matter to grass roots activists ?
i would have thought super-state propaganda vs sub-state propaganda is more
relevant
can we not leave nation states to fight it out between themselves ?
overwhelming evidence suggestions that unlawful trans-national entities
such as empires (united state of america empire: USAE) are a greater threat
to individuals/ humanity than lawfully constituted nation states
what's more of a threat to peace ? 1000 foreign USAE military bases or
2 russian foreign military bases ?
hope all is well
heath
On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, j...@21.x-i.net wrote:
Most of your questions about importance of fighting russian state
propaganda can be answered by these expert resources:
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/08/meduza-is-granting-open-access-to-all-content-about-the-war-in-ukraine-under-a-creative-commons-license
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/12/meduza-is-hiring-a-social-media-editor-for-its-english-language-edition
https://theconversation.com/russias-disappearing-independent-media-why-they-closed-178590
https://netzpolitik.org/2020/russian-disinformation-the-network-of-fake-foreign-media/
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/the-war-in-ukraine-is-about-the-reunification-of-the-russian-people2
The Russian neo-Nazis fighting Vladimir Putin’s war to ‘denazify’ Ukraine
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/15/dying-to-kill
List of few independent resources in Russian..
https://www.youtube.com/c/Popularpolitics
https://www.youtube.com/c/NevzorovTV
https://www.youtube.com/c/FeyginLive
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzaqqlriSjVyc795m86GVyg
https://www.youtube.com/c/Gordonua
On 16/07/2022 11:03, heath bunting wrote:
geert
supporting Ukrainian media and confronting Russian state propaganda.
these aims appear to be very aligned to imperial interests
what do you mean by ukrainian media ? state/ corporate or grass roots ?
why is it important to confront russian state propaganda ?
who is at risk of this messaging ?
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