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Flavio,
Bravo.
The day and age we live in now - 2014 - isn't the Cold War, unlike some
seem to wish to believe. In these times, on the INTERNET, we believe
that the free flow of information is key to digital survival of hobbies
- shortwave listening being one of them - and general livelihood.
I can see no possible benefit in the redaction of this sort of
information. Who are you helping, keeping schedules to yourselves? Are
numbers stations made to be a club? In the grand scheme of things, who
CARES about numbers stations so much as to keep all the information
hush-hush?
Everyone knows and praises Great Leader Enigma2000 for the supreme work
he has done on the scene - and I don't deny that. But, sometimes, we
need to let loose a little. This is 2014. This is the internet. If we
want to keep everything secretive, silent, then might as well get our
tin foil hats on and cover ourselves with a blanket in Mom's basement.
If anything, keeping "our information ours" is very...childish? Why
exist and claim to be for the benefit of others if that benefit is only
given to those accepted into the club?
Granted, I understand that "a lot of work goes into making these
schedules." Good. Jonas Salk did a lot of good, hard work on the polio
vaccine - that was released for free. So I don't see the excuse for
people who love listening to numbers stations to have a good public eye
for what people want. I have personally seen dozens of people join the
numbers community. I tend to believe numbers station schedules are less
difficult to make than a polio vaccine. The way I see it, everyone in
this community needs to work together, rather slapping each other's
knuckles just because of a couple numbers on the radio.
If we keep everything so silent, then the shortwave community will die
before the medium itself.
-Anthony
*The views here do not reflect the official views of PRIYOM or other
PRIYOM members.
On 7/21/2014 07:40, Flavio Cardone wrote:
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Hello -
don't kid yourself, it's elitism (if it wasn't, you - Enigma 2000 -
wouldn't have to explain yourself)
and you got annoyed because someone reposted your schedules without
paying homage to Enigma2000? Sorry, that's ridiculous, in this age of
information sharing. You shouldn't even *care* that someone reposts your
lists. As per your logic, this list shouldn't exist, as we're all
sharing information here. Did you ever hear, for instance, about open
source?
Enigma2000 is no longer significant. You know, making an exclusive club
makes it interesting up to a point. At first, people can be attracted
because they think it's "special". Then, as the same information can be
found in other places (eg Priyom), people start not caring.
I understand it makes you feel important and special when you restrict
information, but in 2014 it's a joke.
Oh, and incidentally the "copyright" you like to affirm on the
Enigma2000 lists doesn't exist. Why? Because Enigma2000 has no legal
personality. It is only a group on Yahoo. It doesn't have a legal
director, representative or anything. Tell me, who would go to court to
enforce the copyright? You? the moderators?
Just grow up. Imagine if every radio amateur or sw dx'er kept their
information just for them - radio wouldn't have evolved so much.
So you don't want to help people who want to listen to number stations?
Fine, good for you.
On 21/07/14 11:34, Beaumont, Paul wrote:
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Good morning Naig,
One reason schedules are no longer included is because of wholesale
plagiarism. Those E2k members who construct schedules [including myself] took
umbrage at the manner in which certain persons just took and in some cases
reposted as their own work.
The other matter being those who freely used and never saw fit to supply any
of their own loggings for us to use.
Unfortunately the matter grew to a head and we sadly saw fit to refuse those
who had reasonably asked permission to use and to withdraw their permitted use
from Priyom who had also asked and were given permission.
This isn't elitism; we are just protecting the wishes of those who produced
schedules and who saw red at the wholesale abuse we suffered from certain
'non-contributing' members - of which a few more will be removed soon - and
others mentioned above.
Regards
Paul
For ENIGMA2000
I'd like to know hot to do to obtain the number station schedules from
ENIGMA2000. I remember some months ago it was possible to read it in the
bulletin, while now it is no more included in the bulletin.
Thank you bye
Naig
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