Thanks, that puts my mind at ease.

Trever

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom
McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Another Dumb Article

Without any evidence of a sprinkler related drowning. Much less any
increase 
in that statistic, I say;
 Let it rain, let pour, while you sleep or if you snore, fire's hot an 
you'll be not, if sprinklers at the ceiling you have got. With mouth
open 
wide, you'll still not drown, on that my insurance has bet every pound. 
(Lloyd's)

Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Trever Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: Another Dumb Article


This brings up a moral dilemma that I've been struggling with as a
sprinkler designer for several years now.  Will I be able to live with
myself if one of my systems activates and drowns a resident of a
retirement home, even if I know that putting out the fire saved the
lives of the rest of the inhabitants?  I think we should all ask
ourselves this question.

Thanks,

Trever Williams
Designer
Unlimited Sprinkler Fire Protection
11130 Petal St.  Suite 800
Dallas, TX  75238
214-349-8444 - Phone
214-349-8450 - Fax
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom
McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:21 PM
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Subject: Re: Another Dumb Article

Just remember TYCO's new Quell motto "Surround and Drown" Maybe they'll
start a new residential product with "Flood -n- Float" technology.

Thom McMahon
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:01 AM
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> Fire Floods Retirement Home....
> Will it come to this??
> 1. Install uL listed life preservers at every floor
> 2. install sign at sprinkler control valve: In case of fire, shut
valve
> immediately to prevent drowning and water damage???
>
> I have heard that wet possessions and books can be dried out and
restored.
> But you can't do much with ashes.
> Fire sprinklers save lives!
>
> David Bryan
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:34 PM
> Subject: RE: Another Dumb Article
>
>
> Okay, here's a re-hash of my favorite themes......
> glc
>
>
> Fire Floods Retirement Home
>
> I understand you've started hearing about how ridiculous we sprinkler
guys
> think your drowning report is, and I wonder if a man were to have a
heart
> attack while walking down the street, would a CPR-giver who saves his
life
> be accused of assault for beating on his chest?
>
> We have the technology to economically save the lives of about 99% of
> those
> who die in building fires. It's an undisputed fact that sprinklers are
the
> best, most cost-efficient way to protect lives and property from fire.
>
> HOWEVER- public perception is one of our biggest enemies due to the
> media's
> ridiculous slants. Let's go back to the 1960's for a moment-
> Remember SEAT BELTS ? The Feds were "shoving them down our throats".
> They'd
> add $1,000 per auto if they are mandated. That was some of the BS
you'd
> hear.
> It took a lot of public service announcements, the threat of fines for
> non-compliance, and (DUH!) a couple million people's lives being saved
> 'cause son-of-a-gun, these things really do work after all. NOW when
we
> read
> a guy is killed in a car wreck, and the story notes he wasn't wearing
his
> seat belt, we shake our heads and think "dumb SOB, he'd have walked
away
> if
> he'd been wearing it. Sure, it took a generation to get the public
> perception to this point, and certainly compliance is far less than
100%
> of
> drivers/passengers. But news reports today invariably include whether
the
> involved were wearing seat belts, and we'd ask you start the same for
our
> industry- and for the safety of the public. If you'd start including
> whether
> sprinklers were installed when you report on a fire, maybe your
grandkids
> will be saved in 30 years when sprinklers are installed IN THEIR HOME
and
> it
> catches fire at 2 AM.
>
> Or, you could continue with feeding fuel to the misconceptions that we

> drown
> people with sprinklers and the public will continue dying in their
> unsprinklered homes. Sprinklers in my home !!! Omigosh- what if they
> freeze
> and flood the place!!! Hmm. Guess you'll not have indoor plumbing,
either
> for that argument to hold up. Omigosh- they cost so much!!! Sure, same
as
> wall-to -wall carpeting that no one seems to be omitting so they can
> afford
> to buy their house.
>
> Hey, we'd like to have you as our ally in this, and maybe move that
> sprinkler quietly saving a building report from page 32 to the front
page
> where the hero characteristics are better off- tragedy averted. Cover
a
> burn
> trailer demonstration. Understand that while smoke detectors yell
FIRE! A
> sprinkler system will yell FIRE! And put water on the fire. DUH- which

> would
> you rather have in your child's bedroom?
>
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