It was a architect/engineer firm here in Billings 20 years ago. I see engineers draw underground mains under the building all the time. I inform them during bid it is against the code, site chapter and verse but it still happens.
Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.burtellfire.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phelps, Mark Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Fire Mains Who DESIGNED it? Mark at Aero -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:13 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Fire Mains And this comes back to the question being discussed in another thread, Who approved something like that? Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491 Direct - 864.599.4102 Fax - 864.599.8439 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lg.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott A. Futrell Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Fire Mains I was present when a 10" main running below a building where manufacturing was more than $1Million per day broke. The break, under the loading dock, turned out to be 18 feet deep and backhoes that could reach that deep could not get into the loading dock because the doors weren't big enough. You don't have to know much more to know this was a very expensive problem because the manufacturing operation could not run without fire protection! Scott (763) 425-1001 Office (612) 759-5556 Cell -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Burtell Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 10:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: FW: Fire Mains Here is a good example why we don't run fire supply mains under building slabs. NFPA has prohibited this for years but I still Architects and Engineers design underground fire supply mains under the slab to interior mechanical rooms. Fire sprinkler risers should always be installed at exterior walls to prevent what just happened at Sky View High School. Please pass this along to anyone in your firm who specifics location of fire supply mains. NFPA 13 2002 10.6 Protection Against Damage 10.6.1 Pipe shall not be run under buildings. Piping located under buildings is extremely difficult to repair, which is one of the reasons that 10.6.1 prohibits the installation of pipe under buildings. When buildings are built over exist- ing underground piping, the piping should be rerouted around the new building. When piping buildings requires repair, operations in the building must be curtailed, equipment may need to be moved, and the floor must be excavated. Leaks in the buried piping underneath the building can go undetected for long periods, and they can also undermine the building support. The location of system valves in the center of a building also places the system controls in the center of the building, which may not be desirable during a fire event. http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/01/11/news/local/25-skyview_g.t xt Joe Burtell, SET, CFPS Burtell Fire Protection, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.burtellfire.com _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
