Thanks to all for the enlightened comments. The 100 ft height is the key to
an extensively remodeled bldg. that was vacant for some time and is being
recreated.

Art

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 10:58 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: NFPA #14 and pressures & pump

You know you can NOT look at just ONE section of the standard.  Since  
it is a high-rise, 14:5.4.1.1 is the criteria that drives this boat.

The issue on 5.4.1.3 attempts (and badly I might add) to address  
using a combined standpipe.  The way it is written here IMPLIES that  
you can have a combined sprinkler/standpipe with an automatic  
sprinkler supply but a manual standpipe supply ONLY in a retro-fit.   
It applies to new buildings too as clearly indicated in the latest  
edition.

Roland

On Jan 31, 2007, at 6:43 AM, art wrote:

> We have a 100 ft high rise residential bldg. with major  
> renovations. There
> are two existing 4" standpipes. The building will be retrofitted  
> with a
> sprinkler system per NFPA 13. From NFPA 14 2003,can 5.4.1.3 be used  
> to not
> require a fire pump to supply the standpipe 100 psi pressure since  
> this
> existing 80 year old bldg is being sprinklered? Is the fire pump  
> required to
> supply 750 gpm with 500 gpm at 100psi at the most remote standpipe?
> Art Tiroly
> ATCO Fire Protection
>
>
> Roland Huggins wrote
> excellent question.  I put my money on Steve's answer.   The NFPA
> committees that I am on (or familiar with) are aggressively moving
> away from encouraging occupants to use a hose (which correlates
> nicely with OSHA requirements).
>
> Roland
>
> On Jan 30, 2007, at 1:02 PM, Steve Leyton wrote:
>
>> I think that the sections I referenced are quite clear:
>>
>> "For Class III systems installed without hose, the water supply
>> requirements shall be as specified for Class I systems."
>>
>> That would be ALL of the water supply design criteria, including
>> both maximum and minimum pressures.
>>
>> Steve Leyton
>> Protection Design & Consulting
>>
>> The foregoing is the opinion of the writer alone, and does not
>> necessarily represent the intent of the NFPA 14 Technical
>> Committee, nor constitute a formal or informal interpretation of
>> the standard.
>>
>>
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