I have been silent on this issue so far but you finally got my curiosity to
the point that I looked it up.

"Unless there is a NFPA 255 (ASTM E84/UL823)) listing that would show
compliance with a material that is class A and would not propagate
fire.... I would not accept it's use in a concealed space in lieu of
sprinkler protection. 

NFPA 13 states the following:

NFPA 13, 8.15.1.2.10  Concealed spaces where rigid materials are used
and the exposed surfaces have a flame spread index of 25 or less, and
the materials have been demonstrated not to propagate fire when tested
in accordance with NFPA 255, Standard Method of Test of Surface Burning
Characteristics of Building Materials, extended for an additional 20
minutes in the form in which they are installed, shall not require
sprinkler protection."

See the excerpt from NFPA 703 addressing this issue below:

5.1* Application. 

These requirements shall apply to fire-retardant coatings such as paints and
other surface coatings used to reduce certain burning characteristics of
building materials. 

5.2 General. 

5.2.1* Fire-retardant coatings shall remain stable and adhere to the
material under all atmospheric conditions to which the material is exposed. 

5.2.2 A fire-retardant coating shall not be used for unprotected outdoor
installations unless labeled for such installations. 

5.2.3 The classification of fire-retardant coatings shall apply only when
the coating is applied at the rates of coverage and to the applicable
substrate, building material, or species of wood indicated on the test
report when the coating is applied in accordance with the manufacturer's
directions supplied with the container. 

5.2.4 Fire-retardant coatings shall be applied in accordance with the
manufacturer's direction. 

5.2.5 The application shall be certified by the applicator as being in
conformance with the manufacturer's direction for application. 

5.2.6 A fire-retardant coating shall not be overcoated with any material
unless both the fire-retardant coating and the overcoat have been tested as
a system and are found to meet the requirements of a fire-retardant coating.


5.3 Tests. 

5.3.1* Fire-retardant coatings shall be tested by NFPA 255, ASTM E 84, or UL
723. 

5.3.2 Where fire-retardant coatings are to be subjected to sustained
humidity of 80 percent or more or exposure to the weather, certification by
a testing laboratory shall be required to indicate that there is no increase
in listed classification when subjected to the "Standard Rain Test"
described in ASTM D 2898. 

5.4 Maintenance of Protection. 

Fire-retardant coatings shall possess the desired degree of permanency and
shall be maintained to retain the effectiveness of the treatment under the
service conditions encountered in actual use. 

5.5 Identification. 

Each container of fire-retardant coating material shall be labeled to
indicate conformance with the preceding requirements and shall include the
manufacturer's instructions for application. 



I googled Intumescent paint and the first site that came up clearly stated
the rating and the compliance with NFPA 255.

Although not a proponent of this material it is in the book.

Greg
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
Fax: 850-937-1852


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larrimer,
Peter A
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 6:44 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: INTUMESCENT PAINT

Does NFPA 13 really allow intumescent paint?  I don't think so.  

Fire retardant treated wood has a Class A (flame spread 25 or less)
surface burning characteristic throughout the material, not just on the
exposed surface.  (i.e if you cut the lumber, the exposed cut surface
would also be Class A)  The definition in 703 (see below) does not
indicate that the fire retardant material is a surface applied material,
but impregnated by a pressure process.  I see that 703 addresses
coatings, but something coated is not a fire retardant treated wood if
you look at the definition.  A fire retardant coating, even though
addressed by 703, used on a material does not make it fire retardant
treated wood.  NFPA 13 requires a "fire retardant treated wood" and does
not explicitly permit fire retardant coated wood per 703.

Having said that, NFPA 13, 8.15.1.2.10 permits a surface burning
characteristic to be the basis of not requiring sprinkler protection,
but I am not sure how you say that just because it is Class A (flame
spread 25 or less), it is not going to "propagate fire in the form in
which they are installed".  I believe that a Class A material will still
propagate fire.

Unless there is a NFPA 255 (ASTM E84/UL823)) listing that would show
compliance with a material that is class A and would not propagate
fire.... I would not accept it's use in a concealed space in lieu of
sprinkler protection. 

NFPA 13 states the following:

NFPA 13, 8.15.1.2.10  Concealed spaces where rigid materials are used
and the exposed surfaces have a flame spread index of 25 or less, and
the materials have been demonstrated not to propagate fire when tested
in accordance with NFPA 255, Standard Method of Test of Surface Burning
Characteristics of Building Materials, extended for an additional 20
minutes in the form in which they are installed, shall not require
sprinkler protection.

NFPA 13, 8.15.1.2.11  Concealed spaces in which the exposed materials
are constructed entirely of fire-retardant treated wood as defined by
NFPA 703, Standard for Fire Retardant-Treated Wood and Fire-Retardant
Coatings for Building Materials, shall not require sprinkler protection.

NFPA 703, 3.3.2 Fire Retardant-Treated Wood. A wood product impregnated
with chemical by a pressure process or other means during manufacture,
which is tested in accordance with NFPA 255, ASTM E 84, or UL 723, has a
listed flame spread of 25 or less, and shows no evidence of significant
progressive combustion when the test is continued for an additional
20-minute period; nor does the flame front progress more than 10.5 ft
(3.2 m) beyond the centerline of the burners at any time during the
test. 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roland
Huggins
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:24 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: INTUMESCENT PAINT

We need to ensure that we are view this issue with the correct lens.

Granted we don't like intumescent paint for a number of reasons AND I  
think the committee was too casual in addressing this issue BUT NFPA  
13 is the document that drives the decision NOT the building code.   
The BC requires fire retardant lumber to be the pressure treated  
type.  That applies to applications where the BC is requiring treated  
lumber.  IN this case, the BC allowed regular timber and since it  
doesn't have additional criteria about it in chap 9 on sprinkler  
systems, the BC is done.  So we go to NFPA 13 to protect the space.   
It says sprinkler protection (the preferred and best option) OR you  
can use treated lumber as per NFPA 703.  Guess what boys and girls,  
NFPA 703 addresses both pressure treated and COATED applications.  As  
such, coated fire retardant treatment can be used (as much as I hated  
typing that but read on).

Some notes to those involved with it's use.  NFPA 703 has  
restrictions on the type of coating  when used in a high humidity  
location.  IT also says it must be MAINTAINED to retain the  
effectiveness of the treatment under the service conditions (which  
would be for he life of the building).   Does anyone have any  
experience with it to 'splain what that entails???  As an AHJ, I'd  
require something in writing from the owner showing they are aware of  
this issue and stating it will be done.

Roland

On Feb 8, 2007, at 6:03 AM, Vince Sabolik wrote:

>
>> Thank you forum ...
>
> ... for the enlightenment and code references regarding use of  
> intumescent paint in
> lieu of attic sprinklers.  Somebody 'in authority' actually made  
> this decision.
>
> I wonder if it costs more for a 'faux' finish?
>
>

>                     Vince
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