Thanks for everyone's input.

Ray Schmid

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Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:19 PM
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Subject: Re: Hydrostatic vs. Pneumatic Testing

Except when a fitting let's loose or the pipe splits with air you have
an explosion as the entire volume of compressed gas decompresses
outward into the lower pressure atmosphere. When a liquid decompresses
you have the pressure put against the end of the column rapidly
diissapate and the large volume of non-compressable liquid just
splurts (splurt: kinda like slobbering). Broken pieces are not
propelled away from the rupture like bullets.


On 4/4/07, Chris Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PSI is PSI no matter what your dealing with.
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Chris Brown
> Fire Protection Designer, Poole Fire Protection
> Office: 913.829.8650   Direct: 913.747.2056   Cell: 913.208.3600
Fax:
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> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:33 PM
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> Subject: RE: Hydrostatic vs. Pneumatic Testing
>
> 200psi of air pressure is not the same as 200psi of water pressure due
> to the compressibility of air versus water.   We never did more than
> 50psi for an air test for sensitive areas.  If it passed the air test
at
> 50# we never had any issues with the 200# water test.
>
>
> Craig L. Prahl, CET
> Fire Protection Group
> Mechanical Department
> CH2MHILL
> Lockwood Greene
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray
> Schmid
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 3:46 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Hydrostatic vs. Pneumatic Testing
>
> I have a client that needs to have a hydro performed for a modified PA
> system over a live data center and they are naturally concerned with
> conducting a traditional hydro above $500M worth of servers.  The 40#
> air test has been successfully completed and they are questioning why
a
> similar test with air at a higher pressure could not be done as an
> alternative to a hydro.  Assuming a constant temperature throughout
the
> test, why would a 200 psi test using air not be equivalent to the
> traditional hydro that uses water?  It seems the requirement for a
hydro
> is as old as piping itself, but all I can tell them at this point is
> that the standard requires a 200# test with water.  Not a very
technical
> justification.  Are there tangible benefits to pressure testing the
> system with water that would not be realized with a pneumatic test?
>
>
>
> Ray Schmid, P.E.
>
> Principal
>
> Koffel Associates, Inc.
>
> 410-750-2246
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> www.koffel.com <http://www.koffel.com/>
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