In this case, the competent inspector saved the day- although I believe the engineer for the bonding co would have proceeded on our identification of the problem, they were very standup for making it all correct. Had someone not looked at this, and just buttoned it up, it'd have been a disaster waiting to happen. The spkr design engineer, tho, was grossly mistaken and his response, blindly clinging to years of experience as evidence of infallibility, scares the heck outa me.
Since no one checks the checker, we need to address making the checkers as competent as possible. And with the amount of training to be done, industry efforts by trade associations alone aren't near enough. We should all take a little time out once in a while to aid the effort. Compare it to hiring a layout tech trainee, even if it is from a related field- as in the firefighter getting hurt becoming the dept's inspector- how long does it take to enable them to not only know what's right in plan review, but to be able to recognize errors and variances in the field- and evaluate if they are serious enough to cause alarm and further action. glc -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Sincaglia Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CPVC products As an actual PE....I'm offended...not by your comment, but by the fact that this guy, if he is a PE, really should not be nor should he play one on TV. Paul Sincaglia, P.E. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 12:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CPVC products Our only experience with white PVC glue was a take-over job, a hotel that had white glue that let go at 65 PSI during testing. Maybe you do a better job of inserting and twisting than this contractor; but this guy's designer (I can say that, the guy claims to be a PE) stated the job did not need a fire pump -and he knows, having done this for over 50 years. We looked at the gauge (28 PSI static at 5' AFF), looked at the street (about 800' away), looked up (3 story hotel) and ran a drain test (dropped like a stone) and ran calcs on what was left of the installation drawings after the hotel sat empty over a winter; installed a fire pump as an extra to the couple grand job of doing the punch list. Gotta love those bonding companies.....and old-time engineers that don't need evidence to know they're right. R I g h t.... glc _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
