Hasn't there always been an issue with the head adapters?

David Autry
Plans Examiner
Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office
246 S. 14th Street
Lincoln, NE 68508
402-471-9659
402-471-3118 fax
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What kind of building is this in?

Never had many call backs on commercial type work, 99% never developed
any leaks within the 4-5 years I was involved.  Now industrial was
different,  main cause was activity within the area and having other
trades using sprinkler sprigs and pipes for the anchor points of their
safety harnesses or just having equipment banging into the piping while
equipment was being moved around.  Even had pipe fitters use the
sprinkler main for a place to attach a chain fall so they could lift
their pipe in place.  Oh yeah, some people aren't too bright.

Paul, what is the system static pressure like?  Are they experiencing
any abnormally high pressures in the system due to high ambient
temperatures, if gridded does it have a pressure relief?  

Sometimes with the quality of the steel castings from foreign countries,
you just had a few fittings that leaked no matter what.  They just had
to be replaced.


Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Group
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
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Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 2:45 PM
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Subject: Leaks...how many is normal?

A question for you contractor types.

I have a client who has experienced a few leaks in a sprinkler
installation with some steel but mostly CPVC pipe.  It passed the
initial hydro and now a year or so later, they have experienced a few
leaks over the past year which the original installer and/or servicing
contractors have fixed.

In my mind the number of leaks they have had seems relatively minor
given the scale of the job (thousands of fittings of all kinds and
sizes) and there is no clear pattern to the leaks that would lead you to
believe that there might be problem with the installation of a given
fitting type or the work of a single fitter being sub-par.  

But hey...this is construction...nothing is perfect...stuff happens.

My question is do any of you have any data and/or rules of thumb with
regard to the number of leaks that might need follow-up repair following
initial installation?  Maybe some assumption you base your warranty
costs on etc.  I would like to be able to go back to them and say that
perfection is often sought but rarely achieved and that general industry
experience is......

If you got something, even if it is anecdotal, I'd love to have it.  I
specify and design 'em, but don't put 'em in.  So I just don't know.


Thanks



Paul E. Sincaglia, P.E.
Firesafety Solutions, Inc.
Fire Protection Engineers and Code Consultants
67 East Washington St.
Chagrin Falls, OH 44022
440-247-3770
440-247-7974 fax
www.firesafety-solutions.com



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