I should have added it's a 13R in an apartment building.  

Yes we can theoretically upsize the combination main to account for both
domestic and fire demands. However with the larger pipe the domestic
flow does not adequately scour the pipe resulting in organic buildup. A
prudent plumbing official will pick this up.  With that said the best
way is a separate fire main, 13D's being the exception.

John Drucker 
Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ)

PS- Trying my best to Keep It Simple.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve
Leyton
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 4:51 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: RSV-2

Sorry Ron, but the BEST way is to allow for the non-fire flow(s) and
include them in the hydraulic model and leave all this other extraneous
stuff off the system.  The most failsafe solenoid is the one that's
still on the shelf at the supply house.

The essential basis of design in 13D is a system that is nothing more
than an extension of the cold water system.  No alarm is required if the
house is fitted with SD's and there's only one way to turn everything
off.   Between ourselves and the AHJ community, things have strayed a
bit from the KISS principle.  


Steve Leyton
PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron
Greenman
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 1:27 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: RSV-2

The best way and as an added bonus you can hook up a tamper(s) on the
control
valve(s) in series so power will drop and shut off the plumbing if any
one of these devices is opened.


On 6/25/07, John Drucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Pete,
>
> Solenoid normally energized, i.e. fail safe ?.
>
> Thanks
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete 
> Schwab
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 2:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: RSV-2
>
> John
> A flow switch used to shut off a solonoid valve on the non-essential 
> system is the method we use when this approach is required.
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John 
> Drucker
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 11:57 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RSV-2
>
> Since TYCO discontinued the RSV-2 is there any other flow diversion 
> device available for larger then 1" combination mains ?
>
> John Drucker
> Fire Protection Subcode Official (AHJ) Red Bank, NJ 
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