I believe Joe will back me on this one- and it's a matter of who gets to
drive the coordination machine- 

You've got to change your outlook  on this completely!

Unless you're retrofitting an existing building with ESFR, and the lights
are existing, you need to reverse the order of priorities in your questions
as follows:

DO THE LIGHTS NEED TO BE SPACED AROUND MY ESFR's no matter how far below the
deflector the light is installed?

You'll find coordination and spacing within the FM parameters is far easier
when you lay your lines in with the joist panels for clearance, then furnish
a copy of your layout to the EC and MC and say- here's the head layout, here
are the clearance requirements, MISS US.

Going back almost 20 years, the premise was straightforward, and this is
what I understand the inventor of the concept (FM collectively) stated:

THE BUILDING WILL BE DESIGNED AROUND THE ESFR SYSTEM.

There are buildings where we've had to force shifting of joists, sliding
roof openings within the joist channel, fattening and shortening a WF beam
so we could spray under it, things we used to not believe we could do, but
HAD to do- or we couldn't put a system in that complied with the criteria.

They can tell you you have to do something all day, but you CANNOT, no
matter how much they huff and puff, stick three rows of ESFR heads in a 20'
bay, as an example. 

So put on your tough guy look, or hire Guido and Stubby to attend
coordination mtgs, but just hold your ground and observe "I'd like to help
you out, or comply with the contract spec that set us last in coordination
priority, but if we cannot put ESFR in the building as specified de to the
coordination dilemma, then here's the extra for the IRAS. And here's th
extra for the larger fire pump when IRAS flows are added to the roof system.

We used to send our supt to mtgs when I worked in Pgh. Deke was a bearded
guy who could give a guy a cold stare that made him wonder if this 6'10
fitter with scraggly beard was going to eat him or kill him. Tinknocker
sketchers didn't stand a chance. Harry, if you run into him in Pgh area,
tell em I said Hi!

glc

-----Original Message-----
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Hasenmyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:07 AM
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Subject: ESFRs and Lights

Do you have to space to lights with an ESFR no matter how far below the
deflector the light (19-inch diameter) is installed?

 

The way I read 8.12.5.2 (2002) is that as long as the light is between the
top of storage and the ESFR, you have to be 1-foot away horizontally; even
if the light is 4, 6 or 8-feet below. 

 

Mark Hasenmyer, PE

MEH Fire Protection Engineering LLC

1311 River Oaks Drive

Flower Mound, TX 75028

Office (972) 874-2662

Fax (972) 874-5591

 

 

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