I did a loading dock that way once about 20 years ago.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 7:25 AM, Mike Brown (TECH- GVL)
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> That has been in NFPA 13 for ages but in 37 years I have never seen on done 
> that way.
>  Mike Brown
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Holsopple 
> (forum)
>  Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 9:51 AM
>  To: [email protected]
>  Subject: RE: Dry HSW under open framed 2x's
>
>  To all....
>
>  Looking at A.8.14.7 in 13 (02 ed), it looks like you are allowed to angle (@
>  a 45ºangle) a dry pendent through the wall without regard to construction
>  type. What would be the downside to doing this with a sidewall? (Other than
>  it does not show an HSW in the picture) Wouldn't the spray pattern develop a
>  little better?
>
>  Ken Holsopple
>  Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc.
>
>
>  I'm noticing a lot of small exterior canopies being protected with dry
>  horizontal sidewall
>  sprinklers even though it is open framing (usually 2X6's or 2X10's at 24"
>  o/c) without any type of material fastened to the underside of this framing
>  - which is all good and well since it mostly complies with NFPA #13 '07 ed
>  section 8.4.2 except that it's not 'SMOOTH.' So I guess that's my question,
>  they aren't smooth so how are people getting away with this? Smooth being
>  defined as sructural members being spaced more than 7'-6" o/c. per A3.7.2.
>
>   The only thing I can come up with is A8.15.7 where you can install a
>  *pendant* at a 45 degree angle to protect small unheated areas so if it's
>  okay for a pendant why not a HSW? (I'm sure it has to do with the
>  intracacies of unfamiliar testing and listing requirements of a pendant over
>  a hsw???)
>
>   Any thoughts?
>
>   Thx,
>   -B-
>
>
>   Below are the sections talked about:
>
>   NFPA #13 2007 ED.
>  8.4.2 Sidewall Spray Sprinklers. Sidewall sprinklers shall only be installed
>  as follows:
>  (1)  Light hazard occupancies with smooth, horizontal or sloped, flat
>  ceilings
>  (2)  Ordinary hazard occupancies with smooth, flat ceilings where
>  specifically listed for such use
>  (3)  To protect areas below overhead doors
>
>
>   A.8.15.7  Small loading docks, covered platforms, ducts, or similar small
>  unheated areas can be protected by dry-pendent sprinklers extending through
>  the wall from wet sprinkler piping in an adjacent heated area. Where
>  protecting covered platforms, loading docks, and similar areas, a dry
>  pendent sprinkler should extend down at a 45 degree angle. The width of the
>  area to be protected should not exceed 7½ ft (2.3 m). Sprinklers should be
>  spaced not over 12 ft (3.7 m) apart. (See Figure A.8.15.7.)
>
>
>   A.3.7.2
>  (3)  Smooth Ceiling Construction. The term smooth ceiling construction as
>  used in this standard includes the following:
>  (a)  Flat slab, pan-type reinforced concrete
>  (b)  Continuous smooth bays formed by wood, concrete, or steel beams spaced
>  more than 7½ ft (2.3 m) on centers - beams supported by columns, girders, or
>  trusses
>  (c)  Smooth roof or floor decks supported directly on girders or trusses
>  spaced more than 7½ ft (2.3 m) on center
>  (d)  Smooth monolithic ceilings of at least ¾ in. (19 mm) of plaster on
>  metal lath or a combination of materials of equivalent fire-resistive rating
>  attached to the underside of wood joists, wood trusses, and bar joists
>  (e)  Open-web-type steel beams, regardless of spacing
>  (f)  Smooth shell-type roofs, such as folded plates, hyperbolic paraboloids,
>  saddles, domes, and long barrel shells
>  (g)  Suspended ceilings of combustible or noncombustible construction
>  (h)  Smooth monolithic ceilings with fire resistance less than that
>  specified under item (d) and attached to the underside of wood joists, wood
>  trusses, and bar joists
>
>
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