I include a completed Owner's certificate as a block insert on every set of contract drawings that are issued with my seal and I sign the certificate as an agent of the Owner. The Owner is probably not even aware this document exists (and probably doesn't need to be). I am the EOR, and as such, it is my responsibility to evaluate the hazards that will exist and specify design criteria that are acceptable. If limitations need to be placed upon the use of the facility (storage height, commodity class, no parking under the drive-up canopy...) those limitations need to be documented with the Owner and the AHJ by me (the EOR) before it even gets to the contractor. The Owner's certificate, for me, is simply a formality.
Ray Schmid, P.E. Schmid and Associates Fire Protection Engineers -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vince Sabolik Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: OWNER'S CERTIFICATE At 06:09 PM 4/11/2008, you wrote: >My understanding is that it is liking pulling teeth to get it and you >can only use your fingers ...and I'm trying to figure a way to keep me from getting those teeth punched out by a lawsuit. For the hundreth time in recent memory, an owner has told me that his insurance carrier has told me to design his job to "whatever 13 calls for". Where have all the risk analysis / underwriters gone? "Whatever 13 says" could be very different between two competing underwriters let alone an independent sprinkler designer, a contractor and an underwriter. And then there's the schedule.... Besides, my pay grade's probably well under what one of these guys get (g???). So I'm wondering if there's a sweeping change that our industry's headed for. Are there any independent risk people out here who, for a nominal fee will acknowledge an owner statement, prescribe a sprinkler requirement according to what he's been given and we in turn would make it part of a design arrangement. Once upon a time the insurance companies would offer this service to the owner ahead of design, review the drawings and TAKE THE RISK. But apparently - save for Factory Mutual - not anymore. The way things look now, "whatever 13 says" will probably lose a building somewhere and provide an insurance company a liability exit due to them not agreeing with the design that they were reluctant to discuss with the owner in the first place. My $0,000.00 and I'm ready to do $1M worth of listening! /RANT OFF thanks, Vince Vince Sabolik Christi Fire Protection, Inc. 11351 Pearl Road Strongsville, Ohio 44136 T 440 572-7730 F 440 572-7719 Email: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
