These are all valid points, but the issue I see is that this "contract" paperwork becomes part of the submitted plans which in turns becomes public records. The majority of the jurisdictions we deal with base the permit and inspection cost on sprinkler head counts or device counts for FA systems. With fire alarms we are required to submit copies of the monitoring contracts with the dollar amounts blacked out. Why should one companies contract information become availabe to other companies? To me that would compromise a company's private information. In most cases the cost is why company "A" is doing the job instead of company "B".
Eric Tysinger Design Manager Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers, Inc. 4683 Laredo Ave. Ft. Myers, Florida 33905 www.waynefire.com Ph: (239) 433-3030 ext. 231 Fax: (239) 433-3263 Cell: (239) 633-9703 Nextel: 158*117*8012 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:37 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Plans Examiner rights to customer contracts We've been doing that for years. Ever since they found out that some contractors were "Low Balling" those numbers to make their permit fee's lower. The One problem I have with it is, that your paying for a permit that includes the design/layout portion of the project. When the Arch or Mech Engineer does plans they are a direct cost to the owner, and not subject to "Permit Fee's" The permit fee is based upon the GC's numbers or a Square Foot formula. Yes I think they have every right to ask for "Proof" that the amount you are being paid is the same as the permit, just as they can ask for more Fee if you receive a lot of Add change orders. That means that at close-out you supply an AIA or other document for the entire project, and your permit fee is adjusted. What I don't feel is right is the fee for the "Paper" portion of our contract. If I do a Layout only for a project, it's not subject to those fee's. So why when we also install it should it be? Thom McMahon Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr Steamboat Springs, CO 80488-2136 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <SprinklerFORUM@firesprinkler.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Plans Examiner rights to customer contracts In a certain southern California city a sprinkler contractor fills out an application to install a system. On that application the job valuation must be included. The valuation is used by the city to determine the fees for that particular job. The plans examiner is now requiring the contractors to submit a copy of the contract between the contractor and their customer (I assume to verify valuation) before he will release the approved plans. Is that legal, can he require that? Mike _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
