Our bill was written by the number 2 guy in the Assembly, a democrat in a 
democratic majority House and Senate.  We go before the Senate B&P Committee on 
Monday and GO on Tuesday.  There could be a Senate Floor vote next week.  

Anyone who can come join me in Sacramento to testify Mon. Or Tues. or if you 
have examples of what was done in your State, that info is greatly appreciated.

Please contact me directly and thank you in advance!

Terri S. Leyton
PD&C


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-----Original Message-----
From: "Jim Sutherland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:49:34 
To:<[email protected]>
Subject: RE: Bill AB2288


We had a similar bill passed in Iowa. Nearly all of the contractors in the 
state were opposed. We (the contractors) were not involved in writing it, 
couldn't get involved, and actually spent a great amount of time writing to our 
elected representatives trying to stop it - but to no avail. It passed with 
almost no opposition and was signed into law shortly after. If it's not yet in 
your state it soon will be. 
Jim Sutherland 
DeMaranville Installations 
1510 NW 101st Street 
Des Moines, IA 50325 
515/225-8598 
Fax: 515/225-9796 
-----Original Message----- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ] 
On Behalf Of Ron Greenman 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:01 PM 
To: [email protected] 
Subject: Re: Bill AB2288 
Well, isn't this just great. These guys just managed to steamroll a 
like bill through the Washington Legislature and now the the State FM 
is stuck trying to figure out an equitable method of enforcement. Of 
little solace overall but of monumental importance is that the 
Washington State bill says nothing of "approved apprenticeship 
programs" but rather allows the State FM to determine acceptable 
levels of training and testing. This is important because it removes 
the standard of care from the legislation which, by my understanding 
of Washington law, would default to the Department of Labor & 
Industries for enforcement. L&I presides over what apprenticeship 
programs are approved and has doggedly and for years refused to 
approve the AFSA program even though it is approved by the US Dept. of 
Labor. THe ONLY approved fitter apprenticeship program in Washington 
is the Union's. Had the legislation we've beent saddled with up here 
carried language similar to California's we would soon see the demise 
of the merit shop. And as an aside, so you all may know where I'm 
coming from, let me give you some personal background. In California I 
was once an IBEW electrician (from a family of unionists, either IBEW 
or Railroad & back further to socialists in pre-Fascist Italy--don't 
let the name confuse you) and then went on to be a Santa Cruz County 
Building Inspector. When I came north anti-California sentiment was 
rife in Washington. There was even a weekly (maybe daily) California 
bashing columnist (Emmett Watson) in the Seattle Times. My union 
"brothers" just couldn't seem to find me work so I went to work for a 
union sprinkler company as an inspector. Now that job wasn't a union 
job and my good brothers in the fitter's union didn't think the three 
inspectors at this company were worth bringing into the fold. I worked 
there at abysmal wages so as to feed my children until I found a 
better paying job with a merit shop. Being ambitious I rose rather 
rapidly and soon (at least after the first two years) was making scale 
or above. I then went into management. I am now no longer directly in 
the fire protection industry but rather in the education business and 
once again a union member although this time the American Federation 
of Teachers. I have always been an executive board officer in AFT in 
some capacity. I will tell you that if the Safeway workers strike or 
the service staff at a hotel or restaurant puts up a picket line I 
will not cross that line and I wouldn't do it even in the days when I 
was not in a union. I didn't eat grapes and I didn't eat lettuce in 
the days of Cesar Chavez. On the other hand I find a union that uses 
it's substantial economic clout to lobby for legislation that will 
harm the public by restricting trade, particularly when purporting 
that that legislation has been proposed for the benefit of the public, 
again particularly when its supposed to be a remedy for an ailment 
that doesn't exist, is deplorable and does not warrant my support. And 
the disclaimer is no shots taken at the fitters. Hope I didn't bore 
you all. 
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Terri Leyton 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Thank you Carole!!  I was waiting for someone to act! 
> We'll buy the drinks next time we see you! 
> T 
> 
> Terri Simmons Leyton 
> PROTECTION DESIGN & CONSULTING 
> Ph:      858-751-2930 - ext. 101 
> Fax:    858-751-2933 
> Cell:  619-871-8450 
> 
> Education is too important to be left solely to the educators. --Francis 
> Keppel 
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> -----Original Message----- 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> ] On Behalf Of Carole Holmes 
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:00 PM 
> To: [email protected] 
> Subject: Bill AB2288 
> 
> All, 
> 
> An interesting read, whether or not you work in CA I recommend checking it 
> out. 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.fpcmag.com/fpcnew.html <http://www.fpcmag.com/fpcnew.html> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> Carole C. Holmes 
> 
> B.L. Harroun & Son, Inc. 
> 
> Kalamazoo, MI  49007 
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> ( P: 269-345-8657 
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> Ê F: 269-345-8684 
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> ÈC: 269-377-6973 
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> :8 internet:    <http://www.blharroun.com/ <http://www.blharroun.com/> > 
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