Only in buildings classified as high-rise, if I'm not mistaken. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message----- From: "Tom Duross" <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 05:31:55 To: <[email protected]> Subject: RE: side by side standpipes I don't see many scissor stairs here in MA much anymore but I always thought smoke vestibules were required with scissor stairs? Tom George wrote; "It drops us outside the hotel in a fenced enclosure where we can't get more than 10' from the building." 2006 IBC/NJ 1024.6 Access to a public way. The exit discharge shall provide a direct and unobstructed access to a public way. Exception: Where access to a public way cannot be provided, a safe dispersal area shall be provided where all of the following are met: 1. The area shall be of a size to accommodate at least 5 square feet (0.28 m2) for each person. 2. The area shall be located on the same lot at least 50 feet (15 240 mm) away from the building requiring egress. 3. The area shall be permanently maintained and identified as a safe dispersal area. 4. The area shall be provided with a safe and unobstructed path of travel from the building. Name the town (off list of course) and I'll send you the name of the fire marshal, building and fire subcode officials. Or if you so choose I'll send this to them myself. John Drucker Fire Protection Subcode Official Building/Fire/Electrical Inspector New Jersey PS, Steve and Terry, good idea avoid the main exit, use a secondary exit (remember what the flight attendant always tells you) However find comfort that NJ has increased the main exit capacity requirements from 50% to 66.66% of total occupant load for A-2 nightclubs amongst other fire safety requirements. As for overcrowds, blocked exits and the like a call to the FM's usually results in evacuation of the premises and closure where necessary. In our jurisdiction the owners are well aware of this and take the time to police there establishments knowing well the cost of not doing so. PSS, Partially agree on Hose Valves in stairways. Cook County is a prime example, deployment of the hose line onto the fire floor means a breached opening protective, i.e. the stairway door is ajar by the hose line. What's the solution ? Hose valves on the fire floor ?, that means we have to open the door, go onto the floor and attempt to setup and hookup without the protection of a charged line. The solution may be protected smoke tight corridors between the stair and the floor, think of it like an airlock. The hose valve is located in the corridor. Firefighters come up the stair, into the corridor, make their connection on the fire floor and deploy. The corridor allows them enough space to stretch out the charged hoseline. The stairways integrity is maintained. John Drucker I'd have paid for you and T's tix to witness that dialogue! Well, in a previous economy I would have.... We were up in N jersey for an annual FA guy's bash for customers and AHJs. 4 AM the FA goes off in the hotel, we exit at measured pace (spkrs in hotel, but not QR) thru nearest stair (required one, I'm sure). It drops us outside the hotel in a fenced enclosure where we can't get more than 10' from the building. Now I point out that we're only looking at a blank masonry wall facing us, so there's limited exposure to a fire in the building, and I know I can throw her over the fence and get over it myself if we had to- but we go back in to the lobby with the other assembled guests (quite a fashion show) and await the FD's arrival when we'll be kicked out into the cold while the FD does a walk thru to confirm no fire, FD arrives and the incident commander no sooner is in the building a minute before red is in his face griping about our being trapped outside. I'm sure this is just what thihs guy wants when responding to a nuisance alarm at 4 AM a week or two before Christmas....but believe me, the point was made. glc _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3965 (20090326)__________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com <http://www.eset.com> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
