It's possibly a long shot, but are you working on a design/build project, or 
is this design-bid-build?  If it's design/build, is this requirement in the 
RFP or UFC?  If no to either, what does the RFP say about specs?  The RFPs 
we've typically seen from the COE reference Masterspec, UFGS, etc., in the 
requirement for a spec in the "design after award" documents.  If so, 
there's no prohibition against taking an axe to anything in the guide 
specification (whichever spec system that was used by A/E #2) that isn't 
explicitly mentioned in the RFP or UFC.

If that's the case, have your GC get their A/E to issue a revision notice 
striking the offending section.  These have typically gone to the Corps for 
review once the final design documents have been issued, and they can be 
difficult and unreasonable, but if the requirement isn't in the RFP or UFC 
they shouldn't be able to prevail ...

Chris Born, P.E.
Director, Fire Protection Engineering
Clark Nexsen
Norfolk, VA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Fletcher, Ron" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: Servicing and adjusting grooved joints


> Where else would you put a requirement for access panels other than in
> the paragraph titled "Pipe Joints".
>
> Ron Fletcher
> Aero Automatic Sprinkler
> 21605 N. Central Ave
> Phoenix, AZ 85024
> P: 623.580.7836
> F: 623.434.3420
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris
> Cahill
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:02 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Servicing and adjusting grooved joints
>
> "unless an access panel is SHOWN on the drawings for servicing or
> adjusting
> the joint."
>
> So show it on the drawing, it doesn't say it has to be installed, LOL.
>
> I know, I know someplace else it says install per drawing. Just strikes
> me
> as a funny way to write a requirement.
>
> Chris Cahill, P.E.
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
>
> 763-658-4483
> 763-658-4921 fax
>
> Email: [email protected]
>
> Mail: P.O. Box 69
>        Waverly, MN 55390
>
> Location: 4439 Hwy 12 SW
>              Waverly, MN 55390
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Fletcher,
> Ron
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:06 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Servicing and adjusting grooved joints
>
> Here is a new one (to me) from our friends at the COE. Has anyone out
> there run into this before and if so what did you do?
>
> Unified Facilities Guide Specification, 3.4.6 Pipe Joints. "Grooved
> joints shall ne be used in concealed locations, such as behind solid
> walls or ceiling, unless an access panel is shown on the drawings for
> servicing or adjusting the joint."
>
> The drawings we have don't show and access panels in the gyp-board
> ceilings so I guess we can't use grooved couplings.
>
> Ron Fletcher
> Aero Automatic Sprinkler
> Phoenix, AZ 85024
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