You're right, many AHJ's are unaware of the requirement and when you  
mention backflow, they defer to the water department.
I faxed a magazine article about the forward flow test requirements to the  
local AHJ's, and the local fire authorities had a meeting about the 
requirement.  They are in the process of bringing the water dept. and building 
officials to  the table to come up with an action plan on how to implement this 
new  requirement.
So, I think education and sharing this information with the local AHJ's is  
the best approach...then the contractors will do it or have the inspections 
 rejected.
Same thing with plan review, throw one in there with a note in bold letters 
 on the plan so the reviewer sees it and then he'll start requiring it.
For the past several years, the AFSA and NFSA fire sprinkler inspection  
forms have had a box asking if the backflow has been forward flow tested.
 
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In a message dated 6/9/2009 5:02:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

This is  most likely just for re-certifying the device. There is no ASSE
requirement  to forward flow test backflow devices for re-certification.
Re-cert. is  typically a dept of health, or environmental issue.

Remember that the  full forward flow requirement is an NFPA thing, and many
have rightly  argued that this means "at system demand" So if you have a LH
system, with  reduction for QR and only demand 99 Gpm, cause there is no
inside hose,  most likely you can flow that through the main drain.
Here in the mountains  with static and residual pressure of over 100, we can
flow over 800 gpm out  the main drain. Good for 2 standpipes.

Remember what you're looking for  when you forward flow the device. Any
pressure loss greater than was used  in the calc's that could undermine the
system operation at its original  design. The bigger question is how do you
know what that loss is that was  used in the original calc.? The best you 
can
do is see if it is in the  MFG's literature range.


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-----Original  Message-----
From:  [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]  On Behalf Of Will Bromley
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:34 PM
To:  [email protected]
Subject: Backflow Testing

On  systems that do not have a test header for full flow testing of  
backflow
preventers how are people still charging $75- $150 to inspect  them. You 
have
to drain down the system and flip the check valve on the  FDC. Then rig a
male to male adapter to run a hose from the FDC to either a  hose monster or
play pipe. After getting your flow reading you would have  to shut the
control valve, flip the check back around and fill the system  back up.



You cannot find a place that will let you do a  backflow inspection for more
than $150. I have asked many AHJ's about this  and they are not even aware
that full flow is required by NFPA 25. All  these contractors are just
testing the device, this is not sufficient on a  fire sprinkler system.



These are all statements so I guess here  is my question. What are we going
to do as contractors to get this right? I  don't want to hang a tag on a BFP
only to have a building burn down after  the BFP only partially opens. When
this happens I am sure that the lawyers  will find that contractor and ask
where his paperwork is showing the flow  test of the BFP.



In NFPA 13 2007 it requires a system to be  installed with a BFP test 
header,
but not many jurisdictions have adopted  this edition yet. This is an added
cost and contractors are not being  required to do this yet. If a contractor
does this based on high ethics he  might just price himself out of a job in
this market.



What  are your thoughts?



Will Bromley

Vice  President

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