Don't know, many changes of occupancies/occupants over the years.  Perhaps
there was a wall at some time that is gone.  Perhaps the 165's were over a
combustible office that is long gone. Perhaps the original installers ran
out of 286's and didn't want to order more.  Today I don't see the why as
important.  Curious yes. 

Conditioned.

Chris 

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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Temperature Rating

Question is, why two different temp ratings in the same common space?

Also if this is a warehouse and it's non-conditioned, what is the max.
indoor temperature this area could experience?  165's might be a bit low? 


Craig L. Prahl, CET   
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC  29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 11:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Temperature Rating

'07 8.3.2 Rating and 8.3.3 Sensitivity

 

I can find no place where is says what if anything should be done with
different ratings in the same room (10,000 sq. ft. ish room).  8.3.3 clearly
says when QR all in compartment must be QR.  But in the temperature rating
there is nothing like that.  A.8.3.2.7 is close but only suggesting the high
temps in high hazard go 30' beyond.  So at 31' one could change back to
ordinary temp.  

 

The situation is an existing space OH design (mini-storage) with 286 heads,
in one bay (2 lines) heads are 165 heads.  All standard response.  There is
a beam separating the two temperature different heads.  The beam is 22" down
from the clg.  but the top 4" is open for the joist bearing.   A competitor
noted this temperature issue on an inspection as a deficiency.  We were the
last one in there doing work <6 months ago but not in this area.  Fire
Marshal wrote orders to the owner to fix based on inspection report.  Owner
is wanting us to fix it, presumable at our cost.  But I don't see where this
is a deficiency in the first place.  We can have a discussion about whether
it's a good idea or not but in the end the code seems to allow the mixing of
heads temperatures.  Yes skipping of heads at the interface is a potential
issue.  How much is a guess, me brain doesn't do CFD modeling.

 

Yes it's easy to say just change out the heads and make them all high temp.
We may do it but I am trying to establish all on the same page that this is
perfectly CODE compliant then negotiate a fix if wanted.  This is especially
true when other sprinkler companies are involved and appear to be wrong.  

 

So anyone have a code reason this isn't allowed?  

 

Chris Cahill, P.E.

Fire Protection Engineer

Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.

 

763-658-4483

763-658-4921 fax

 

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        Waverly, MN 55390

 

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