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From: [email protected] 
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To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; 
[email protected] <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri Oct 23 08:51:54 2009
Subject: RE: Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system may have 
contributedtofatalexplosion

Interesting video. Have you seen FM Data Sheet 7-20 Oil Cookers? It says to put 
a deluge system discharging at 0.5 gpm per sqft over the hot oil surface.

Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic
Phoenix, AZ

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From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Knight
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system may have contributedto 
fatalexplosion

I remember seeing a very enlightening video a couple months back that showed
the effects of what this person did.  The video was showing the dangers of
adding water to a cooking fire leading to catastrophic results.  Here's the
link, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZGzbd0IvUE.  It doesn't surprise me
that a confined area could or would explode in the way the news article
points out.  Regardless of previous lawsuits, the likely hood that the
antifreeze solution in the sprinkler system helped propagate the fire is
unlikely.  Watching the video, it's not hard to ascertain that an oil fire
that is incorrectly attempted to be extinguished with water can lead to
disaster.  This is where the fire community needs to step it up and
continually and aggressively educate the public.

Bob Knight

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Report: Antifreeze sprinkler system may have contributedto
fatal explosion

Didn't we have this discussion on the Forum a 
while back about 100% anti-freeze solution vs. anti-freeze/water mixtures?



At 04:44 PM 10/22/2009, you wrote:
>Why is there an antifreeze system inside a building? Not knowing what was
>used in the system, here is the info from the ethylene glycol MSDS:
>
>Section 5: Fire and Explosion Data
>
>Flammability of the Product: May be combustible at high temperature.
>
>Auto-Ignition Temperature: 398°C (748.4°F)
>
>Flash Points: CLOSED CUP: 111°C (231.8°F). (Tagliabue.)
>
>Flammable Limits: LOWER: 3.2%
>
>Products of Combustion: These products are carbon oxides (CO, CO2).
>
>Fire Hazards in Presence of Various Substances:
>Slightly flammable to flammable in presence of open flames and sparks, of
>heat.
>Non-flammable in presence of shocks.
>
>This looks like antifreeze systems need to be investigated by NIST to
>determine the dangers.
>
>Thank You
>
>Rahe Loftin, P.E.
>Region 7 - GSA
>Office - 817-978-7299
>Fax - 817-978-8644
>Cell - 817-371-3102
>
>
>
>
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