But to further the discussion there is something related that I never got
logic around.  I know logic and code don't always mix.  

Nearly any wall, even with unrated penetrations (and maybe even uncovered
openings), suffices for the purpose of not extending the protection scheme
across the wall but unless it's LH or OH and has rated walls and closers
(OH) you can't use room design method.  

Just seems odd to me we can have a small HPS with a 0.6 density next to the
office and have LH in the office on the other side of the wall but when
calc'ing maybe pick up LH heads on the 0.6 density depending on the size and
configuration to get the 2000 sq.ft., 53.66' along the BL.  

But even in the LH and OH scenario you have a supply storage room in an
office that is OH. Most of the time these don't have self closers on the
door thus the hallway head maybe 3' from the storage head the hall is LH and
the closet OH in the same calc.

Yeah it doesn't matter too much in the calc's usually.  It just seems odd to
me we can't stop more calc's at the wall more often like we can stop the
protection scheme. 

Chris Cahill, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Sentry Fire Protection, Inc.
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Hinson, Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:31 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: Adjacent hazards

I misunderstood a superior and was looking for clarification.  Thank you.

Ryan Hinson
Burns & McDonnell
Direct: 952-656-6003 Ext 3662
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Johnson,
Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:58 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: Adjacent hazards

If your walls extend to the bottom of the deck/ceiling, then you are
physically separated and do not need to extend the higher hazard 15'.

Look at that, an AHJ CAN get it right!

Duane Johnson, PE
Program Manager
Division of the Fire Marshal (Support Contractor)
Office of Research Services 
National Institutes of Health 
301-496-0487


-----Original Message-----
From: Hinson, Ryan [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:52 AM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: Adjacent hazards

NFPA 13(2010) section 11.1.2(1) states "Where areas are not physically
separated by a barrier of partition capable of delaying heat from a fire in
one area from fusing sprinklers in the adjacent area, the required sprinkler
protection for the more demanding design basis shall extend 15 ft beyond its
perimeter."  The appendix gives a storage example.  My question is:  Is the
spacing of the more demanding basis also to be extended that 15 ft for an OH
scenario into a LH area through non rated walls?  In other words, do I have
to protect light hazard corridors or bathrooms with 130 sq ft max sprinkler
spacing since they are within 15 ft of mechanical, janitor, and recycling
rooms?  It seems like overkill to me to have to space heads in a portion of
a corridor or bathroom at 130 sq ft unless there are rated walls separating
them from the other hazards.  Thoughts?

Thank you,

Ryan L. Hinson, EIT, NICET III
Fire Protection Systems Designer, Aviation and Facilities Group
Minneapolis-St. Paul Office
Burns & McDonnell
8201 Norman Center Drive, Suite 300
Bloomington, MN 55437
Direct: 952-656-6003 Ext 3662
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