When I went through this your #2 really excited the water guys as the FD could become the $ collector. Nothing like an enforcer with a badge. Even on the commercial stuff. So for others don't over look this as minor in the debate.
Chris -----Original Message----- From: "Thom" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:16:46 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Stand-Alone Residential Systems White Paper George: At issue with water purveyors that require separate shut off (curb stops) outside so they can shut off the domestic and not the fire sprinkler, we had that applied here for one year. It was dropped after one year, when we were able to point out the following to the utility. 1) They had never shut off the water to anyone for non-payment. 2) If they shut off the water for any reason, (Not just a day or so) they are required to notify the building dept. to evict the occupants, since at that point that structure no longer meets the build code requirements for occupancy. Our argument to #1 was if you don't do it, and have never done it why have the extra cost of installing a curb stop that you'll never use? Our argument to the second, was that if you're going to turn off the water on Monday at 8am, don't you think you should notify the building dept. on Friday before you actually turn it off, or even sooner so they can send notice that if the water is turned off, the building will lose the Cert. of Occ. Like I said it only lasted a year, and we've not run into it again. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Stand-Alone Residential Systems White Paper Steve, I'd note that there are many water purveyors requiring a split outside the home and a separate valve on the domestic so they'll shut off domestic service, not sprinkler, for non-payment. Inadvertently screwing the plumbers trying to do a multi-purpose, I can hardly sleep at night for the injustice. However, I combat that by inviting them to our residential sprinkler seminars since if they think they want in on it, they should know more, not less, and hopefully join the Association for all the ed benefits. glc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Muncy Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Stand-Alone Residential Systems White Paper The AFSA White Paper on Stand-Alone Residential Fire Sprinkler Systems is now available on the AFSA website and can be downloaded by members and non-members. The paper describes some advantages of stand-alone systems over multipurpose systems and some situations in which multipurpose systems may not be appropriate. This document may be helpful to AHJs who are not aware of the differences between multi-purpose and stand-alone systems and the advantages and disadvantages of each. The document can be downloaded from: http://www.firesprinkler.org/downloads/AFSA-8065.pdf Steve A. Muncy, CAE American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] To Unsubscribe, send an email to:[email protected] (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field)
