When I went through this your #2 really excited the water guys as the FD could 
become the $ collector.  Nothing like an enforcer with a badge.  Even on the 
commercial stuff.  So for others don't over look this as minor in the debate.

Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: "Thom" <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 10:16:46 
To: <[email protected]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Stand-Alone Residential Systems White Paper

George:

At issue with water purveyors that require separate shut off (curb stops)
outside so they can shut off the domestic and not the fire sprinkler, we had
that applied here for one year. It was dropped after one year, when we were
able to point out the following to the utility.
1) They had never shut off the water to anyone for non-payment.
2) If they shut off the water for any reason, (Not just a day or so) they
are required to notify the building dept. to evict the occupants, since at
that point that structure no longer meets the build code requirements for
occupancy.

Our argument to #1 was if you don't do it, and have never done it why have
the extra cost of installing a curb stop that you'll never use?
Our argument to the second, was that if you're going to turn off the water
on Monday at 8am, don't you think you should notify the building dept. on
Friday before you actually turn it off, or even sooner so they can send
notice that if the water is turned off, the building will lose the Cert. of
Occ.

Like I said it only lasted a year, and we've not run into it again.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Stand-Alone Residential Systems White Paper

Steve, I'd note that there are many water purveyors requiring a split
outside the home and a separate valve on the domestic so they'll shut off
domestic service, not sprinkler, for non-payment. Inadvertently screwing the
plumbers trying to do a multi-purpose, I can hardly sleep at night for the
injustice. However, I combat that by inviting them to our residential
sprinkler seminars since if they think they want in on it, they should know
more, not less, and hopefully join the Association for all the ed benefits. 

glc

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Muncy
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:54 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Stand-Alone Residential Systems White Paper

The AFSA White Paper on Stand-Alone Residential Fire Sprinkler Systems is
now available on the AFSA website and can be downloaded by members and
non-members. The paper describes some advantages of stand-alone systems over
multipurpose systems and some situations in which multipurpose systems may
not be appropriate. This document may be helpful to AHJs who are not aware
of the differences between multi-purpose and stand-alone systems and the
advantages and disadvantages of each. The document can be downloaded from:

http://www.firesprinkler.org/downloads/AFSA-8065.pdf



Steve A. Muncy, CAE
American Fire Sprinkler Assn. 
Dallas, TX
http://www.firesprinkler.org





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