That's why I spent 20 years of my life training people to use fire extinguishers - train them at work, save them at home. I even trained expat kids in Hong Kong and Saudi Arabia.
Of course sprinklers are the ideal but what percentage of US homes have them - and you have installing them for 40 years - we've only be doing it for 15. Stewart On 17 Apr 2011, at 17:24, Ron Greenman wrote: > Stewart, > > Just my advice. Ever watch someone with no training fiddle for many > seconds just trying to break the seal and then shooting agent at the > top of the flames. The intuitive thing to do is pull instead of twist > and to attack the flame instead of the fuel. Unfortunately the > intuitive thing is, like trying to break a fall buy putting out your > hands out instead of collapsing, twisting and spreading the fall out > across lots of bouncy leg, butt, and shoulder muscle instead of thin > skin and inflexible bone, wrong. I've voluntarily jumped out of > perfectly good airplanes, dumped motorcycles, fallen off small cliffs > and roofs and have been bruised and battered but never broken. > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:07 AM, Michael Fitz <[email protected]> wrote: >> Easy answer for that - I installed a sprinkler system. (And I am a fire >> professional) >> >> Michael M. Fitz, P.E., C.F.E.I., C.F.P.S. >> MDE Inc. 700 S. Industrial Way, Seattle, WA 98101 >> Home Office P.O. Box G, Shelton, WA 98584 >> 206-321-1804 >> >> >> On 4/17/2011 9:00 AM, Stewart Kidd wrote: >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> Would this include running if you have a stove top fire in your kitchen >>> and your house is 35 minutes response time from the nearest FD unit ? >>> >>> Stewart >>> On 17 Apr 2011, at 15:55, Ron Greenman wrote: >>> >>>> Scot, >>>> >>>> Rules of thumb I use regarding fire extinguishers: >>>> >>>> Untrained--run >>>> Trained layman--run if fire is bigger than you >>>> Trained fire professional--run, there are too few to risk/spare >>>> Firefighter--your call >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 3:06 AM, å... ....<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Statistics we can use...thanks for those! >>>>> >>>>> Fire extinguishers can work, but >>>>> if the facility is valuable and not occupied 24/7... >>>>> >>>>> Fluorinated-foam and dry chem will be corrosive on sensitive equipment. >>>>> De-ionized Water mist and "clean-agent" are alternatives, although >>>>> if the clean-agent contains fluorine, I am betting >>>>> what is marketed as "clean" today will be billed more >>>>> realistically >>>>> after 20 years of history. >>>>> >>>>> If we have the courage to encourage occupants to use portables, >>>>> then how fine a line is it in our minds to allow >>>>> an occupant to choose to use a hose line? >>>>> >>>>> scot deal >>>>> excelsior fire >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Sprinklerforum mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum >>>>> >>>>> For Technical Assistance, send an email to: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> To Unsubscribe, send an email >>>>> to:[email protected] >>>>> (Put the word unsubscribe in the subject field) >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ron Greenman >>>> Instructor >>>> Fire Protection Engineering Technology >>>> Bates Technical College >>>> 1101 So. 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