Do you have a cut and paste for this. You are always the nice guy giving instructions to these guys who I know didn't get on by sending an email to Steve Muncy with the word subscribe on it.
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Steve Leyton <[email protected]>wrote: > Gerald (and everyone else who wants to, is thinking of, or for whom there > is a mathematical chance that you may ever want to unsubscribe): > > Go to the bottom of any Forum e-mail. Double click, or copy/paste into > your browser, the link that starts with "http://fireball";. Then manage > your preferences. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:42 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE > > > Gerald Osborne > Wolseley Canada > Commercial Business Group > Outside Sales > Mobile: (902) 221-5741 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Leyton [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 04:33 PM > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Hanger question (NFPA 13, 2007 edition) > > You're welcome, and that last sentence should have read "built up" not > build up. Whatever. > > SL > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Adams > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:22 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Hanger question (NFPA 13, 2007 edition) > > Thanks Steve, I appreciate your insight ! > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Steve Leyton > <[email protected]> wrote: > > It's not a metal deck, it's a poured-in-place-concrete-reinforced metal > deck. The cited section is for attaching to unreinforced metal deck such > as roof decks with nothing more than insulation or build up composition > roof on top. > > > > Steve L. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Adams > > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:14 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: Hanger question (NFPA 13, 2007 edition) > > > > It is 4" total thickness on 1" non-composite metal deck. > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Matt Grise <[email protected]> wrote: > >> How thick is the concrete? > >> > >> Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP > >> Sales Engineer > >> Alliance Fire Protection > >> 130 w 9th Ave. > >> North Kansas City, MO 64116 > >> > >> *Licensed in KS & MO > >> > >> 913.888.0647 ph > >> 913.888.0618 f > >> 913.927.0222 cell > >> www. AFPsprink.com > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Daniel Adams > >> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:48 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Hanger question (NFPA 13, 2007 edition) > >> > >> On a current government project, piping has been hung from a concrete > >> filled metal deck using expansion shells (drop-in). After giving the > >> okay to use this type of hanger, an inspector has referenced : > >> "9.2.1.4.1 Metal Deck. 9.2.1.4.1 * Branch line hangers attached to > >> metal deck shall be permitted only for the support of pipe 1 in. (25 > >> mm) or smaller in size, by drilling or punching the vertical portion > >> of the metal deck and using through bolts." and in Annex A, it says > >> that "A.9.2.1.4.1 The requirements of 9.2.1.4.1 are based on metal > >> decks only but can be applied to other applications such as concrete > >> or gypsum-filled metal decks". > >> > >> In 9.1.3 Fasteners in Concrete, it notes that "Unless prohibited by > >> 9.1.3.2 or 9.1.3.3, the use of listed inserts set in concrete and > >> listed post-installed anchors to support hangers shall be permitted > >> for mains and branch lines. > >> 9.1.3.2 Post-installed anchors shall not be used in cinder concrete, > >> except for branch lines where the post-installed anchors are > >> alternated with through-bolts or hangers attached to beams. > >> 9.1.3.3 Post-installed anchors shall not be used in ceilings of gypsum > >> or other similar soft material. > >> > >> The expansion shells are in the concrete portion of the deck (the > >> metal decking has been drilled to permit the expansion shells to be > >> inserted into the concrete). Doesn't this comply with 9.1.3 ? > >> > >> Daniel N. Adams > >> Designer > >> > >> Interwest Fire Protection, Inc. > >> 404 Ironwood Drive > >> Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > >> > >> Phone: (801) 746-4040 > >> Fax: (801) 746-4043 > >> [email protected] > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sprinklerforum mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > > > > > -- > > Daniel N. Adams > > Designer > > > > Interwest Fire Protection, Inc. > > 404 Ironwood Drive > > Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > > > > Phone: (801) 746-4040 > > Fax: (801) 746-4043 > > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > _______________________________________________ > > Sprinklerforum mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > > -- > Daniel N. 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