Todd,

Hope you all had a safe and Happy Thanksgiving holiday.

Are you referring to a closed loop water phase heat pump system using sprinkler 
piping for supply and return piping?
Just finished designing one for a mechanical retrofit in an old high rise. As 
part of the work we were able to provide the building owner with a savings of 
over $500,000 in piping cost (actual bid difference) by using the combined 
closed loop mech/sprinkler piping system. You cannot design just like a 
sprinkler system you need to look at water velocity in the pipe since water is 
being circulated during normal operation pipe and you will need to run either a 
separate return or supply riser, and you have to review the systems control 
process. You need to develop a method of shutting off the mechanical systems 
circulating pumps upon sprinkler activation. I have designed three systems that 
have been up and running for over ten years with no significant problems, for a 
single tenant building everything is good, for a multitenant building you need 
to sit down with the building owner and look at his rental plans, you might 
need to install sectional valves. Once system is up and operational the 
building owner can see significant savings in heating and cooling cost. One 
building had a large computer center on  one floor and the heat from the 
computer center provides much of the heating for the typical mid-Atlantic 
winter, the building's secondary heat source runs only once or twice a year.

With this type of system you need to work closely with the building owner and 
the mechanical engineer. In two of the jobs we completed the owner had to 
replace his mechanical engineer since the original engineer had no clue, we had 
to literally do design drawings showing the "normal" operation of the system 
and during sprinkler operation. This was not done as a low bid job but as a way 
to fit both the mechanical system piping as specified and the sprinkler system 
piping into the above ceiling space without major cutting of the structural 
steel to allow the piping systems to pass each other and stay above the dropped 
ceiling (too much pipe not enough above ceiling space, 24 inch deep structural 
beams not taken into account) 

Good luck.

Have a fire safe Black Friday.

Regards

Jim               

Jim Davidson 
 
Davidson Associates 
Fire Protection * Medical Gas * Code Consulting  
302-994-9500   Fax:302-234-1781


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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:00 PM
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Subject: Circulating closed loop systems

Ok, here's a new one for me. Sprinklers fed from a circulating closed-loop 
system as detailed in section 7.6 of NFPA 13 (2002). Anybody done one of these? 
Any thoughts? Ideas? Pitfalls? Sources for a crash course? 

"I may not have seen everything, but I've seen enough."

Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
Stonington, CT
860.535.2080
www.fpdc.com

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