Thanks to all for comments. Not temporary but currently the final design. I think an RFI to the architect per Marks suggestion is in order. Looks like the consensus is clear to sprinkler above. Good information on the size of the return air plenum openings. Cecil thanks for the information on the planned modeling. Not a huge cost as the piping will be there for the drops anyway. Thanks to all for the help.
Rod at Rapid -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 2:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: corridor ceiling/wedding drinks Been there, done that. AFSA San Diego, cocktail party before the aircraft carrier dance :) Other Ron Lists probably include people who expect him to buy them a drink, and people he will drink with, people he can borrow money from, people he can borrow tools from, people he no longer lends tools to, people where you use "dude" instead of ""yo", the usual. You have em too, but maybe didn't realize it. Rod, is the 12" opening getting finished off in fit out (i.e., are you doing shell now) so its temporary? That's the only way can see avoiding sprigs every 15' or whatever. George L. Church, Jr., CET Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE 570-837-6335 fax [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 1:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Wedding sprinkler Nice, as usual. And by the way, you're in the people I will let buy me a drink group. That is the highest category. On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 8:01 AM, George Church <[email protected]> wrote: > Gentlemen: > I've been in the fire sprinkler business for 37 years, so I have some > experience and familiarity with them. Some folks have called me an expert. > > We had a similar experience at one of our customer's locations, when > the bride hung her wedding dress from the sidewall sprinkler in the > Bride's Dressing Room. Yes, there was a sign under it noting not to > hang clothing from it, but why pay attention to warning signs? She > broke the sprinkler's activating mechanism, and as it should, water > came shooting out. The black oily water is characteristic of water > sitting in black steel sprinkler pipe, quite normal. > > The bride's dress in your case wasn't soiled by the sprinkler water, > so I doubt she's the culprit in this situation. However, our > most-often quoted statistic for sprinklers failing without mechanical > injury or fire is one in 16 million per year. There might be 16 > million sprinklers in all of Georgia, and look at your own experience- > how many stories do you cover where a sprinkler just lets loose? > > I'm not saying that human intervention took place, I'm just pointing > out that the reliable experience our industry has makes it > statistically improbable. Matter of fact, Chief David Hilton of Cobb > County was instrumental in getting residential sprinklers in place > going back to the early 1980's, a pioneer of the industry with vision. > It is likely his actions have saved hundreds of lives; you might check > how many teeth have been knocked out by sprinkler systems, and compare > it to how many lives were saved from fire in apartments and condos in > Cobb County in the past 30 years. I'll bet its one tooth, and hundreds of > lives saved. > > If you'd like further information on the likelihood of an accidental > discharge, or accurate information on fire sprinklers in general, > please feel free to contact either of the two representatives of the > Georgia Fire Sprinkler Association (GFSA) or the two from the National > Fire Sprinkler Association (NFSA): > > GFSA Executive Director: Billy Wood > Phone: (404) 226-8304 > Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > GFSA President: Ray Vance > Fire & Life Safety America > Email: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Phone: (770) 717-8812 > > Wayne Waggoner > Tennessee/Southeast Regional Manager > Associate Director of Regional Operations (South) PO Box 9 > Andersonville, TN 32179 > Cell: (865) 755-2956 > Fax: (865) 381-0597 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Buddy Dewar > Vice President of Regional Operations > 200 West College Street > Tallahassee, FL 32301 > Ph: (850) 222-2070 > Fax: (850) 422-1752 > Cell: (850) 566-8733 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Fair and balanced reporting is an integral part of good reporting. > Currently your viewers only know there was a large BOOM, 5 people went > to the hospital, a tooth was knocked out, because the sprinkler system > "kicked on". With the likelihood of this happening without help from > the wedding party in the room bumping the sprinkler being maybe 1 in > 16 million, balanced reporting would, IMHO, require a follow-up with > the reliability of our systems duly noted so the public isn't scared > of a life-saving technology they should be embracing. Yes, I DO have > them in my house, and when I travel, I stay in sprinklered hotels. > > I'm sure the bride and groom will look back at this and it will all > seem funny. I can tell you that reading the reports of folks > experiencing their first sprinkler activation is pretty funny to those > of us who know the technology and understand what is and isn't > possible. Seriously, water shooting from a sprinkler is responsible for a > tooth being knocked out? > Only as an indirect consequence. > > Thanks in advance, > > George L. Church, Jr., CET [cid:[email protected]] > President > Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. > 7993 US Hwy 522 > PO Box 407 > Middleburg, PA 17842 > 877-324-ROWE > 570-837-7647 > 570-837-6335 fax > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > www.rowesprinkler.com<http://www.rowesprinkler.com/> > [cid:[email protected]] > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attac > hments/20120605/0156c25d/attachment.html > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: image001.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 978 bytes > Desc: image001.jpg > URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attac > hments/20120605/0156c25d/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: image002.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2358 bytes > Desc: image002.jpg > URL: < > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attac > hments/20120605/0156c25d/attachment-0001.jpg > > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. 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