Frequently for EC or concealed projects this is exactly how it lines up for us, the UL QR listing satisfies NFPA 13, and FM doesn't need to accept the head as QR since they don't require QR. Another one we run into is that FM requires a lot of areas we would otherwise call light hazard (certain office configurations for example) to be treated as a higher hazard class, but we still put in QR heads to satisfy the NFPA 13 as QR in light hazard is a life safety concern and upgrading the density doesn't necessarily negate the need for them per the handbook. Storage areas get more complicated but that's for design area reasons. Thankfully our state tends to accept FM as an equivalency without having to go after variances etc. Mike Morey, SET, CFPS Sprinkler Designer BMW Constructors, Inc. O: 317.651.0596 | C: 317.586.8111 www.bmwc.com
________________________________ From: [email protected] on behalf of [email protected] Sent: Thu 6/21/2012 10:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FM extended coverage concealers? Then you can use a head that is UL Listed QR/FM SR to comply with NFPA and FM, correct? Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:30 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: FM extended coverage concealers? Table 3 in FM 2-0 lists spacing allowed for quick and standard response heads in hazard category 1, so I am guessing they allow both. Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II Sales Engineer Alliance Fire Protection 130 w 9th Ave. North Kansas City, MO 64116 *Licensed in KS & MO 913.888.0647 ph 913.888.0618 f 913.927.0222 cell www. AFPsprink.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:21 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: RE: FM extended coverage concealers? Matt, Does FM require QR sprinklers in LH? Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Phoenix, AZ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ParsleyConsulting Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 6:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FM extended coverage concealers? Matt, Based on what I saw on their website this morning they don't have and EC concealed which is approved. They have a good number of recessed EC sprinklers in both light and ordinary hazard applications, but no concealed. PARSLEY CONSULTING Ken Wagoner, SET 760.745.6181 voice 760.745.0537 fax [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>e-mail www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.ParsleyConsulting.com <http://www.parsleyconsulting.com/> >website On 6/21/2012 5:21 AM, Matt Grise wrote: > The last time I looked FM did not allow extended coverage concealed sprinkler > heads... is that still the case? > > If not, what EC concealer has gotten an FM listing? > > Thanks, > > Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II > Sales Engineer > Alliance Fire Protection > 130 w 9th Ave. > North Kansas City, MO 64116 > > *Licensed in KS& MO > > 913.888.0647 ph > 913.888.0618 f > 913.927.0222 cell > www. AFPsprink.com > > _______________________________________________ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > [email protected] > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 7261 bytes Desc: not available URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20120621/55b9dcb4/attachment.bin> _______________________________________________ Sprinklerforum mailing list [email protected] http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum
