If I were you, I would email Reliable Technical Services and ask them:
Can the Model F1 be installed recessed without the escutcheon and still
maintain the UL listing?
Then take their response and forward it to the fire chief and the
council member.
I encounter this incompetence sometimes and i understand your frustration.
On 4/2/2014 1:53 PM, firs...@aol.com wrote:
They are recessed.
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On Apr 2, 2014, at 10:26 AM, John Denhardt <jdenha...@stricklandfire.com> wrote:
Are they installed in a recessed manner or are the threads even or below the
ceiling?
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Owen Evans
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 12:45 PM
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Subject: Re: Recessed heads and escutcheons
Yes, they are the Reliable F1 series recessed heads.
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From: Greg McGahan <g...@livingwaterfp.com>
To: sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 9:39 am
Subject: Re: Recessed heads and escutcheons
Owen,
They are correct in this case UNLESS the heads were installed in a
semi-recessed manner. The gap is debateable... but no plate is required.
Greg McGahan
Living Water Fire Protection, LLC <http://www.livingwaterfp.com>
1160 McKenzie Road
Cantonment, FL 32533
850-937-1850
fax 850-937-1852
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Owen Evans <firs...@aol.com> wrote:
In Redondo Beach, 5 Reliable F1 recessed heads were installed in an
overhang (the heads weren't required in the first place). Two were simply
pocked through the stucco with about a 3/4" gap around the head into the
combustible space above. As a citizen knowledgeable in fire protection
systems I advised the Fire Chief and my council representative that the
fire inspector recently signed off the building with this deficiency. The
Fire Chief didn't like me calling out his inspector. He went on to say in
his email response to defend his inspector; "It is erroneous of Mr. Evans
to claim the escutcheons are required. Escutcheons are decorative only and
not even required per code". The Fire Marshal and Deputy Fire Marshal
agreed with the Fire Chief. I was shocked. It became clear to me that the
problem with incompetence goes beyond the Fire Inspector. Of course the
city manager and city council believe the Fire Chief because he and his
team of "experts" stand behind a badge. Frust
rating.
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From: Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. <masorn...@kfi-eng.com>
To: sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org>
Sent: Wed, Apr 2, 2014 8:50 am
Subject: RE: Recessed heads and escutcheons
Please clarify your intent. Do you want to install a recessed head
without any
escutcheon, or do you want to use a different brand/model escutcheon from
that
which is listed with the head?
Mark A. Sornsin, P.E. | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Fire Protection
Engineer |
Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9905 | mobile: 701.371.5759 |
http://www.kfiengineers.com
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On Behalf Of firs...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 8:55 AM
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Subject: Recessed heads and escutcheons
Are all recessed heads listed to be installed with their escutcheons?
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