I feel your pain. Ron F Ron fletcher Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 12:10 PM, "Tony Liddic" > <tony.lid...@mrhsprinklerdesign.com> wrote: > > AHJ has spoken with Mfr Rep directly and has basically decided to forgo > common sense. > > The only way he will approve it is if NFPA 13R includes this situation > specifically, ie. "CPVC piping shall be permitted to be installed > underground below breezeways on system side of riser." > > Thanks, > > Tony Liddic, CET > MRH Sprinkler Design LLC > 356 Laurel Glen Dr. > Springboro, OH 45066 > 937-369-7926 > http://mrhsprinklerdesign.com > tony.lid...@mrhsprinklerdesign.com > > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:22 PM, Fairchild, Jack < > jfairch...@ballinger-ae.com> wrote: > >> Is it written somewhere that steel is allowed for underground use on the >> system side? >> >> Jack Fairchild >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tim Stone >> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2014 4:43 PM >> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> Subject: FW: Blazemaster CPVC Underground >> >> FYI >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> G. Tim Stone >> >> >> >> G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC >> >> NICET Level III Engineering Technician >> >> Fire Protection Sprinkler Design >> >> and Consulting Services >> >> >> >> 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452 >> >> CELL: (802) 373-0638 TEL: (802) 434-2968 Fax: (802) 434-4343 >> >> tston...@comcast.net <mailto: >> tston...@comcast.net> >> >> >> >> From: Lemire, Mark [mailto:mark.lem...@lubrizol.com] >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:02 PM >> To: Tim Stone >> Subject: Fwd: Blazemaster CPVC Underground >> >> >> >> Good evening, >> >> >> >> Please review John's comments who us one of Lubrizol's Field Tech >> Specialist. >> >> >> >> Have a great weekend! >> >> Mark E. Lemire >> >> Piping System Consultant >> >> The Lubrizol Corporation >> >> Representing FlowGuard GoldR, BlazeMasterR and CorzanR CPVC piping systems >> >> 603-738-3101 >> >> 603-934-3360 fax >> >> mark.lem...@lubrizol.com <mailto:mark.lem...@lubrizol.com> >> >> www.lubrizolcpvc.com <http://www.lubrizolcpvc.com> >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Pritchard, John" <john.pritch...@lubrizol.com <mailto: >> john.pritch...@lubrizol.com> > >> Date: July 18, 2014 at 10:06:15 AM EDT >> To: "Lemire, Mark" <mark.lem...@lubrizol.com <mailto: >> mark.lem...@lubrizol.com> > >> Subject: RE: Blazemaster CPVC Underground >> >> I e-mailed Peter because the original e-mail was from his territory. >> >> >> >> The AHJ is 100 wrong. >> >> >> >> CPVC is approved for underground. >> >> >> >> 13R allows any material approved for Underground water. >> >> >> >> The way the system is being run which is common in my part of the country >> the CPVC pipe is part of the sprinkler system and it is approved for >> underground installations. The AHJ needs to be educated >> >> >> >> >> >> John Pritchard >> >> Piping Systems Consultant >> >> The Lubrizol Corporation >> >> Representing FlowGuard GoldR, BlazeMasterR and CorzanR CPVC piping systems >> >> 224-735-3042 office >> >> 312-215-2089 cell >> >> 224-735-3043 fax >> >> <mailto:john.pritch...@lubrizol.com> john.pritch...@lubrizol.com >> >> <http://www.lubrizolcpvc.com/> www.lubrizolcpvc.com >> >> >> >> From: Lemire, Mark >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:03 AM >> To: Pritchard, John >> Subject: Fwd: Blazemaster CPVC Underground >> >> >> >> Any comments! >> >> Mark Lemire >> >> Piping Systems Consultant >> >> The Lubrizol Corporation >> >> Representing FlowGuard Gold, BlazeMaster and Corzan CPVC piping systems >> >> 603-738-3101 cell >> >> 603-934-3360 fax >> >> Email: mark.lem...@lubrizol.com <mailto:mark.lem...@lubrizol.com> >> >> Website: www.lubrizolcpvc.com <http://www.lubrizolcpvc.com> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Tim Stone <tston...@comcast.net <mailto:tston...@comcast.net> > >> Date: July 18, 2014 at 10:00:55 AM EDT >> To: <mark.lem...@lubrizol.com <mailto:mark.lem...@lubrizol.com> > >> Subject: FW: Blazemaster CPVC Underground >> >> Mark, >> >> The attached email is from The AFSA Forum. >> >> Can you way in? >> >> Regards, >> G. Tim Stone >> >> G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC >> NICET Level III Engineering Technician >> Fire Protection Sprinkler Design >> and Consulting Services >> >> 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452 >> CELL: (802) 373-0638 TEL: (802) 434-2968 Fax: (802) 434-4343 >> tston...@comcast.net <mailto: >> tston...@comcast.net> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] >> On Behalf Of rfletc...@aerofire.com <mailto:rfletc...@aerofire.com> >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:46 AM >> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> >> Subject: RE: Blazemaster CPVC Underground >> >> That's a good one. I'll add that to my "so you think you have heard >> everything" list. Like saying it's approved below a valve but not above. >> Does he have a code reference or is this it just their opinion? Can you >> have someone from the manufacturer call them? >> Ron F >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto: >> sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] >> On Behalf Of Tony Liddic >> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 6:18 AM >> To: sprinklerforum >> Subject: Blazemaster CPVC Underground >> >> I have a client that does a lot of typical apartment building in various >> jurisdictions. The buildings are 3 stories with breezeways 1/3 of the way >> down the length of the building. >> >> They are 13R systems and the client has always used Blazemaster CPVC. They >> run a main down the center of the 1st floor, drop below the breezeway >> underground then back up in a wall on the other side. This has never been >> an issue until now. >> >> An AHJ is stating that the CPVC is not approved for underground use on the >> system side of the riser, only the supply side. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Tony Liddic, CET >> MRH Sprinkler Design LLC >> 356 Laurel Glen Dr. >> Springboro, OH 45066 >> 937-369-7926 >> http://mrhsprinklerdesign.com >> tony.lid...@mrhsprinklerdesign.com >> <mailto:tony.lid...@mrhsprinklerdesign.com> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> <mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> <mailto:Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> >> >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> >> >> Both the individual sending this e-mail and The Lubrizol Corporation >> intend that this electronic message be used exclusively by the individual >> or entity to which it is intended to be addressed. 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