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On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Cahill, Christopher <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Don't blame the engineer on gov't. I try to pull it out but they usually
> make me put back in.
>
>
> Chris Cahill
> Fire Protection Engineer
> Burns & McDonnell
> 952-656-3652
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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Lamar Vaughn
> Date:09/16/2014 12:07 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Sprinkler Forum
> Subject: Re: Water Velocity
>
> It would really be good if this thread could be shared with the engineering
> community at large. I STILL get specifications that require a maximum
> velocity of 20 fps. Very costly, especially when you have a good water
> supply.
>
> Lamar Vaughn, SET
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Roland Huggins <
> [email protected]
> > wrote:
>
> > actually the difference between the results for D-W and H-W does not vary
> > consistently (alas there is not a linear relationship).  To require using
> > D-W at very high velocities is unnecessarily conservative.  At these
> > velocities the pressure loss is so high that it is self regulating so
> > typically occurs only is limited sections of the system.  With all the
> > averaging etc that our process entails, why get anal on ONE piece of the
> > puzzle?  Having said that, one could argue that one should account for
> the
> > velocity pressure in the discharge calc at high velocities BUT that is
> > needed only when you really have such velocities (like in a water spray
> > deluge) verses seeing an assigned value from our process.
> >
> >
> > Roland Huggins, PE - VP Engineering
> > American Fire Sprinkler Assn.       ---      Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives
> > Dallas, TX
> > http://www.firesprinkler.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 15, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Damien Shannon <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > So purely along the lines of Andy Rooney's 'have you ever wondered why'
> > :)
> > > ... FM Datasheet 2-0, while not limiting the allowable velocity, does
> > > require that when velocity exceed 30ft/sec, that the calculation be
> > > performed via the Darcy-Weisbach Method rather than the Hazen-Williams.
> > > Entertainment value only, but would seem that the variance between
> > results
> > > in Hazen-Williams versus Darcy-Weisbach become more apparent with
> higher
> > > velocities.
> > > The 30ft/sec limitation (for application of Hazen-Williams
> calculations)
> > in
> > > FM 2-0 is strangely close to the 10m/sec (32.8ft/sec) limitation in EN
> > > 12845 Rules for Automatic Sprinkler Installations (previously BS 5306).
> > >
> > >
> >
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